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im considering running a dry system in my 08 ZX6 (maybe a 25 shot or 40?). I want to run at the strip a couple nights a month and thought about spraying. Is it a bad idea to have it on a bike thats gonna be on the streets 90% of the time (literally every day)

i also am wondering how much of a pain it is if i wanted to put an extension kit on for drag days but in no way do i want it on there for street riding, is this something i can switch over pretty easily the night before? just have 2 chains?
 

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going to the drag strip isnt going to be good on the clutch.

you live in colorado there must be things better then straight lines out there.
 

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People run dry systems on the street all the time,but I'm the type that feels you should either have a dedicated pro-street/drag bike or a sport bike,not both and especially not a 600.

Maybe I'm getting older now and I agree making smaller engines run stronger than a lot of others peoples is cool and all,but there is no replacement for displacement. Most of the big hitters around Indy don't hide there intentions very well and it's fairly obvious by looking at a lot of the bikes that they are serious about going quick in a straight line.

For the price of your 2008 model ZX-6 you could have bought a 2-3 year old ZX-10(or 04-05 and put some nice go/drag parts on it) and that bike would STILL beat your ZX-6 WITH nitrous and without any fuss,power adders or the higher risk of internal engine wear/damage. Why make excuses when you get beat and exclaim "Hey,but it's quick for a 600!" In the street game that really doesn't mean crap,no one cares that it's "fast for a 600" only thing that counts is fast period.

When nitrous vehicles run well the results are really cool and when nitrous vehicles run into problems the results are really expensive! Most of the car guys I know who ran nitrous(back in the 80's-90's) in their aka "Giant Killer" :bitchslap small blocks figured out that a normally aspirated big block is still quicker/faster,easier on parts,CHEAPER to run/operate after you consider the cost of wear/tear/rebuilds/parts breakage and goes down the track with a lot less drama or fuss.

Thinking your going run make a small engine run with the big dogs and show them up is a lesson in false economy. You may be able to buy in for less money,but at the back end when it's all said and done most small block owners had MORE money,time,effort,sweat,blood and tears in their machines plus had little to show for it

The older guys that learned their lesson a long time ago or younger ones that learned it from observing others just keep on running their mild big block week after week,event after event without so much as a hi-cup.
Go the your local drags some night and ask both the small block and big block racers how often they rebuild/open up their engines and I think you find the big block racers have to do it a lot less often.
Bikes are no different and I'd take a mildly built large displacement Pro-street bike over a hyper tuned 600 any day of the week.

My advice is to try and catch a ride on a good running big block Pro-Streeter off the bottle(it will still smoke your bike even if yours was on the bottle trust me). That ride will give you a sense of just how unwise it may be to want to throw money into a small displacement bike to play on the drag strip with.
 

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a stretched 6-r with Nitrous. LMAO

In COlorado??!?! wtf

Nitrous = Kill stock engine. Ive seen it.

Sell 600, Buy a larger bike is yoru best bet if you want more HP
 

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How does Nitrous destroy an engine, or am I missing something. It's like Meth right? like a fuel with a higher octane so it burns at a higher temp, but faster?

I would think the only issue with that is that spark plugs need to be replaced more often....??
 

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...I generally agree with the above, that there is no "replacement for displacement" if you want to get serious...

...End of story...
 

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How does Nitrous destroy an engine, or am I missing something. It's like Meth right? like a fuel with a higher octane so it burns at a higher temp, but faster?

I would think the only issue with that is that spark plugs need to be replaced more often....??
No its oxygen rich gas so it intensifies the burn and allows more fuel into the set volume (been the cylinder). With the wrong setup it can cause the motor to run very lean and hot which is bad, in extreme situations with things like ignition cutouts for quick shifters it can turn the plugs into plasma cutters and the pistons service life becomes very short indeed. The other aspect a friend has with his R1 (admittedly this guy hasn't stretched lowered or anything) his fastest times have been without nitrous because with it he is ethier thinking too much about it and misses gear changes or is trying to keep the front wheel on the ground.
 

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No its oxygen rich gas so it intensifies the burn and allows more fuel into the set volume (been the cylinder). With the wrong setup it can cause the motor to run very lean and hot which is bad, in extreme situations with things like ignition cutouts for quick shifters it can turn the plugs into plasma cutters and the pistons service life becomes very short indeed. The other aspect a friend has with his R1 (admittedly this guy hasn't stretched lowered or anything) his fastest times have been without nitrous because with it he is ethier thinking too much about it and misses gear changes or is trying to keep the front wheel on the ground.
I didn't read the entire post, mainly because I am at work, and there are alot of servers to be monitored... :-/

...but you said it yourself, WITH THE WRONG SETUP. With a good setup, checking Wideband ratio's you can run NOS on an engine and have no issues...Correct? How does it reduce engine life? Hotter temps? I would assume you need to replace the parts that get normal wear and tear anyway such as the head gasket, but the entire engine life would not be effected...
 

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You reality of this is:

What you see in the movies is not accurate:

Example: When Madmax "flips" a supercharger on-thats not true. You dont "flip it on".
Fast n Furious....where do I begin? Its all or mostly CGI.

It can be done, whether it is worth it is the REAL question.
 

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I didn't read the entire post, mainly because I am at work, and there are alot of servers to be monitored... :-/

...but you said it yourself, WITH THE WRONG SETUP. With a good setup, checking Wideband ratio's you can run NOS on an engine and have no issues...Correct? How does it reduce engine life? Hotter temps? I would assume you need to replace the parts that get normal wear and tear anyway such as the head gasket, but the entire engine life would not be effected...
read his entire post, THEN ask about it.
Basically NOS reduced the life of pistons dramatically.

I don't even want to think about the effect it would have on the rings purely from accelerated wear.
 

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I didn't read the entire post, mainly because I am at work, and there are alot of servers to be monitored... :-/

...but you said it yourself, WITH THE WRONG SETUP. With a good setup, checking Wideband ratio's you can run NOS on an engine and have no issues...Correct? How does it reduce engine life? Hotter temps? I would assume you need to replace the parts that get normal wear and tear anyway such as the head gasket, but the entire engine life would not be effected...

The op was talking about a dry setup a dry setup doesn't have its own seperate fuel supply system it relies on the bike's existing fuel system to compensate for the extra demand thus it is higher risk of going wrong and it is usually associated with lower hp gains they are also a lot cheaper. The other issue is heat the more power you produce the more heat you will produce and the bikes cooling system is only designed to cope with what the manufacturers intended. With correct setup yes it can be run with minimal risk like anything it will make the motor run hotter put more stress on all the componets because they have to work harder and this will eventually reduce the life of the motor.

Depending on where the original poster is with his racing far more gains for the person starting out can be had buy: correct suspension setup, gearing, basic breathing mods, rider technique/reaction time, dedicated tyres. Going through the pain of setting up a system on something like a modern sports 600 is a marginal exercise where as more lower rpm torque (something the 600's definatly don't have) can be had by replacing the bike to a larger capacity one. But it comes down to what he wants to do.
 

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Contrary to popular belief, nitrous really isn't that bad for your engine. The injection of the liquid-to-gas N20 cools your intake and engine immensely. Also, once the nitrogen atoms have separated from the oxygen atoms, they coat your piston and cylinder walls and soften the blow of the extra power.

I ran a 65 shot on my Acura Integra with 196,000 miles. I went through 8 bottles and nothing ever broke. If you pull plenty of timing and run colder plugs and set your kit up correctly it will run forever. Sportbikes have FORGED INTERNALS, let's not forget that. My little acura has cast pistons and rods which suck for adding forced induction.
 

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Contrary to popular belief, nitrous really isn't that bad for your engine. The injection of the liquid-to-gas N20 cools your intake and engine immensely. Also, once the nitrogen atoms have separated from the oxygen atoms, they coat your piston and cylinder walls and soften the blow of the extra power.

I ran a 65 shot on my Acura Integra with 196,000 miles. I went through 8 bottles and nothing ever broke. If you pull plenty of timing and run colder plugs and set your kit up correctly it will run forever. Sportbikes have FORGED INTERNALS, let's not forget that. My little acura has cast pistons and rods which suck for adding forced induction.
No wonder all these kids always wanted my mothers Acura Integra.
 

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i agree with the 2 seperate bike idea. i have an 08 fz6 for the street, and an 03 yzf600r thats been stripped and lowered for the track.

a local guy has a 150 shot on his mustang with 150k miles on the stock 5.0 and hasn't had an issue. but his is a wet setup but it runs cooler engine temps than normal. the biggest problem with nitrous is the set up being wrong causing the lean condition.
 

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i agree with the 2 seperate bike idea. i have an 08 fz6 for the street, and an 03 yzf600r thats been stripped and lowered for the track.

a local guy has a 150 shot on his mustang with 150k miles on the stock 5.0 and hasn't had an issue. but his is a wet setup but it runs cooler engine temps than normal. the biggest problem with nitrous is the set up being wrong causing the lean condition.
Thats normal-Fords need power enhancements to move. :)
 
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