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I think someone eluded to this on another thread just not in so many words....

If you shift by pulling the clutch in 1/4" or less and laying off the gas a tad (but not fully), you will shift as smooth as a baby's ass. Gotta be quick on the gear tho or it'll still clunk. Anyone else notice this? Every gear I can pretty much shift like a freaking automatic car tranny, but 1st to 2nd still can be a bitch. Still, the method works and can be extremely smooth 1st to 2nd.

This is my first bike so maybe this just comes with throttle/clutch control. Anyway, I hope it helps keep those loud annoying clunks from happening!
 

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That is basically how I do it. I also usually shift around 6K. Of course it all depends on how I am riding or the conditions, but if I had to say generally... it would be 6K. :)
 

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I still pull the clutch in a most of the way but not closing the throttle all the way out makes the biggest difference. It works great with two up because of the fact that the rider isnt hitting your helmet with theirs everytime you change gears. None of the girls that I have taken on mine have had any riding experience so the tend to be a little too loose and dont lean right. The smoother I shift using this method the better it is for the both of us. :D
 

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Using the clutch for N-1st only, the rest are clutchless shifts. The downshifts CAN be done the same, but I prefer to not take the inherent risks associated (locking the rear tire) and lightly clutch them.

Have fun! :)
 

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Baldman said:
Using the clutch for N-1st only, the rest are clutchless shifts. The downshifts CAN be done the same, but I prefer to not take the inherent risks associated (locking the rear tire) and lightly clutch them.

Have fun! :)
Do you keep the gas on and just 'slam' it into gear? The friction zone is so tight it doesn't take much clutch to open it up.
 

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Do you keep the gas on and just 'slam' it into gear? The friction zone is so tight it doesn't take much clutch to open it up.
NO! I prefer to keep my doglegs intact. ;) It is a syncing thing - blip the throttle, apply light pressure to the shifter (mine is GP style) and the shift is smooth and without clutch hesitation. This process is a bit more difficult with standard shift (1 down, 5 up) bikes, but can be done with practice (as almost anything can be accomplished). ;)
 

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what do you mean "GP style"? I also upshift without clutch most of the time, ease up slightly on the throttle and pop the gear, and it goes in as smoothly as with the clutch. Of courase I downshift with the clutch as not to lock the rear wheel.
 

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Maybe stupid question but dosent that eat the gears on the transmission over time?
I know I used to ride a dirt bike when the clutch broke but eventually the tranny went too. I assumed it was related.
 

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I try to be really smooth with two-up

I'm with you Hardy, make 'em feel safe. I never noticed how much I lurch and settle until I had someone on the back alot more. So I just run the R's up a bit more and make the butter smooth shift with little gas let off.

Thanks for the original post though Zeus, I never really thought about purposely shifting like that. Tried it yesterday and I love it! A little pressure before/with the clutch feathering, lots smoother!
 

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I'm with you Hardy, make 'em feel safe. I never noticed how much I lurch and settle until I had someone on the back alot more. So I just run the R's up a bit more and make the butter smooth shift with little gas let off.

Thanks for the original post though Zeus, I never really thought about purposely shifting like that. Tried it yesterday and I love it! A little pressure before/with the clutch feathering, lots smoother!
No prob...I think someone was typing something about the friction zone being so small that it clunks cause you engage the clutch too much, so I tried it and man, what a difference. Great for hard acceleration too....
 

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GP style is reversing the action of the shifter so that your gearbox cycles 1 up and then 5 down.
The reason for this is to be able to shift up into the next gear while leaning over into a left turn.
Instead of trying to get your foot under the shift lever while leaned right over and thereby getting it squashed between the lever and the the tarmac, you simply tap the lever down to get the next gear.
Transversly you have to lift the lever up with your toe in order to change down, very confusing, unless of course you grew up riding a 1974-76 Yamaha FS1E 50cc moped, as they shifted 4 down.

I can see no logical reason to have it on a road only bike, unless of course you are a racer and have been conditioned to change gears this way.

We shouldn't, on the road that is, need another gear change in mid corner because we are hitting the rev limiter, if that's the case, slow the hell down and get off my road you nut job and take it to the track.

Just my 2 cents,

Skippy
 

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We shouldn't, on the road that is, need another gear change in mid corner because we are hitting the rev limiter, if that's the case, slow the hell down and get off my road you nut job and take it to the track.
Hilarious!!
 

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Sorry if this is a thread hijack, but it is shifting?

One of my worst stunts is when I come in to a hard corner or off the highway onto a 90 degree side road and I come in HOT! I grab down 2-3 gears and I've learned I have to give myself room to let her settle because I always break the ass end loose letting out the clutch, wanting to have high R's that my I-4 craves!

Some racer help here? I feel like I have to drop that far to keep me in 8-12K rpm happy land, or she'll bog in the corner, I just dunno how to do it smooth? I don't want to walk down preceeding the corner? So what am I missing, coming in HOT and wanting to keep up the R's without kicking loose rear end control.

School me boys, I'll be grasshopper, this is like soooo basic but always where I see myself inviting disaster if I'm riding with someone on a liter bike and I get the adrenaline rushing to keep up to 'em or keep ahead of 'em?

Time to order twist of the wrist maybe?

suggestions welcome on the whole zen of apexing on tight rights
 

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I personally don't ride that high rpms....haven't really hit that level of riding yet. But if you wanted to keep the rpms that high going into a turn, just drop 1 gear and control the throttle as to not slow down abruptly. The apex theory is slow going in, fast coming out. Slow down a hair to get your line, then punch the throttle keeping your line and accelerate thru the apex gaining more speed by momentum than power. You really 'shoot' out of the turn like a gun if done correctly.

To really make sure you are running in the red approaching a turn takes lots of throttle control. You see the GP guys 'flicking' the wrist when entering the corners hard. They are basically downshifting but gasing the downshift to keep the rear end from locking up. Matching engine speed with road speed will keep the rear end from freezing in gear.

I locked the rear wheel once making a right turn. I dropped it into 1st instead of 2nd and I was riding prolly 30mph. My mistake wasn't dropping a gear to low, but I gave the bike no gas when engaging the gear. The reverse engine force on this 4 is very powerful at high rpms. Basically, dropping to a low gear riding fast and engaging the gear will be enough reverse force on the rear wheel to stop it from spinning that fast. If you gas it, or match engine speed with road speed, the wheel doesn't hit that reverse force and continues to spin at it's current rate or even accelerate.

Hope this helps and keep it safe.
 

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virtualt said:
2004 FZ6
Laser extremes
Power Commander
Cat's eyes headlight covers
Union Jack Tank Pad
FZ6 fuel cap sticker
Gel Seat
LSL Sliders
CW Fender Eliminator kit
Pirelli Diablo Corsa's
Garmin Streetpilot
Escort 8500 Radar Det.
Eclipse Sport Luggage
Hey, I have an idea for something to add to this list here buddy! A nice digital camera. Take some pictures of your beast for us man. You seem to have the ultimate FZ, the least you could do is give us some photos to drool over. Thanks buddy...
 

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Dude! he has!!

ripthenightopen said:
Hey, I have an idea for something to add to this list here buddy! A nice digital camera. Take some pictures of your beast for us man. You seem to have the ultimate FZ, the least you could do is give us some photos to drool over. Thanks buddy...
That bastard!!! (JK) He has posted enough pict's of that awesome exhaust to make me order one!!! He's so much at fault I'm trying to figure out how to bill half the cost (or at least the shipping) to him.

Then you know what happens, exhaust= Power Commander then you've got to get rid of the cat, then........$$$$$......then.......$$$$$

I'm not saving any money by getting the cheaper FZ6?? And I'm gonna blame Virtualt!!

Shameless plug: I don't think anything of any other exhaust after seeing how completely cool that Lazer looks! It takes what sold me on the bike (underseat exh.) and raises it by 10.
 

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Then you know what happens, exhaust= Power Commander then you've got to get rid of the cat, then........$$$$$......then.......$$$$$
I keep saying the same thing and my friends all laugh and say, "What you thought this was going to be a cheap hobby!?"

Good point and I cant say a word.

Its all worth it though!
Ooooooohhhh Yeeeaaaaahhhhh!!!! :D
 
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