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Depending on what the economy does, it may get uglier. It's good now, and has been for nine or more years. But, interest rates are nearing another inversion, manufacturing is off, and trade is a mess. The areas that have been hit worst by the recent decline in manufacturing are PA, WI, OH, and MI. Not so good for the orange guppy.

Beats me if the rank and file will notice,though. The impeachment is a bizarre side-show, what with the obvious stonewalling that would make Nixon blush. But, it isn't the 1970s any more. It is the post-truth era when Moscow Mitch can say and do whatever to stay in power and make sure the national security sieve in the White House gets to keep pretending he's the emperor.
This economy has overcome some serious headwinds, and despite what the liberal main stream media wants you to believe, still has legs to it. I suspect that you, as I, am far better off today than four years ago. How much of that gets credited to the "orange guppy" is of course quite subjective.
 

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Being better off is a matter of perspective and the average American is NOT better off. It’s worse for those making the median average or less.
 

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Being better off is a matter of perspective and the average American is NOT better off. It’s worse for those making the median average or less.
That is your persective. Do you have any type of proof to bolster your assertion that the average American is not better off? When I hear an opinion like yours, I am blown away. I am 57; and I've never seen a better job market in my lifetime. I cannot imagine the average person being worse off. Yes, wages are still slow to increase at the lower level, but people are returning to the workforce in DROVES.
 

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That is your persective. Do you have any type of proof to bolster your assertion that the average American is not better off? When I hear an opinion like yours, I am blown away. I am 57; and I've never seen a better job market in my lifetime. I cannot imagine the average person being worse off. Yes, wages are still slow to increase at the lower level, but people are returning to the workforce in DROVES.
 

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I do think those benefitting the most from the economic boom we are experiencing are above average earners, who usually have 401k's they participate in. Remember when the main stream media told all of of the markets would crash when Trump became President? Yeah.
 

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That is your persective. Do you have any type of proof to bolster your assertion that the average American is not better off? When I hear an opinion like yours, I am blown away. I am 57; and I've never seen a better job market in my lifetime. I cannot imagine the average person being worse off. Yes, wages are still slow to increase at the lower level, but people are returning to the workforce in DROVES.
Well, the median income is mid 50’s. Most people making that much are:

1) not invested in the stock market
2) wages have not grown
3) increase in health care costs and other non tax bracket related costs

Look, if you have a 401k and make 6 figures a year then the economy is okay, but there is still a lot of uncertainty in the markets with the wild swings we have seen. And you got a president who has no problem singling our certain company with the intention of impacting there share prices. Hope you don’t plan to retire on a day when Trumps wants to punish a company or industry.

There’s also a rise in social injustice to non white Americans. Trump has embraced far right and racially discriminatory organizations, and now these people feel like they own the country and have the right to treat people without respect. This does not make people feel better. People don’t trade and extra $80 a month so they can be racially profiled and treated less than human.

But you know what, no matter what I say, I already know you won’t agree. So what does it really matter.
 

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You make some good points, I do agree that many people making 50k a year may not have a 401k, although when I was at that point I did. I also agree with you that Trump should NOT be singling out specific companies, thus impacting their shares. Government needs to stay the hell out of that, for sure.

I completely disagree with you about the rise in social injustice to non white Americans, though. You essentially refer to Trump as a racist; and I have not seen ANY proof of this whatsoever. Hell, support among blacks for Trum is rising daily.....I don't need to list here all the things he has and continues to do for them. Does a racist really let convicted black felons out of prison early? Take a look at the main stream media, they have been fomenting racism since the day Trump was elected. They have unsucessfully tried to paint him in a corner as a racist, and as usual they whiffed.
 

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You make some good points, I do agree that many people making 50k a year may not have a 401k, although when I was at that point I did. I also agree with you that Trump should NOT be singling out specific companies, thus impacting their shares. Government needs to stay the hell out of that, for sure.

I completely disagree with you about the rise in social injustice to non white Americans, though. You essentially refer to Trump as a racist; and I have not seen ANY proof of this whatsoever. Hell, support among blacks for Trum is rising daily.....I don't need to list here all the things he has and continues to do for them. Does a racist really let convicted black felons out of prison early? Take a look at the main stream media, they have been fomenting racism since the day Trump was elected. They have unsucessfully tried to paint him in a corner as a racist, and as usual they whiffed.
Does a racist really let convicted black felons out of prison early? Yes, he does

You do know that in the 70’s he systematically and intentionally made sure black people could not rent apartments in his buildings.

Yes, that was the 70’s. When you call a self avowed white supremest who’s group of people ran a woman down who was protesting against white supremacy, very fine people.

Trump sought out to tell white supremacy groups that he fights for them, something no other president would do.

Sorry, you can’t call white supremacy groups your friend and ask for their vote, then say, I’m not for white supremacy.

Now, to your point about 401k’s, I do wish more people would invest even at the lower levels of the economy. Even a little bit goes a long way. We work for what, 40, 50 years? $100 a month for 40 years at 6% interest is 200K. If after 40 years you don’t own your home 200k will buy you one cash. This is how you get ahead and pas down wealth. But you have to have $100 a month to spare.


BTW, good to see you are still around. I kinda miss our discussions. Hope you are doing well.
 

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Does a racist really let convicted black felons out of prison early? Yes, he does

You do know that in the 70’s he systematically and intentionally made sure black people could not rent apartments in his buildings.

Yes, that was the 70’s. When you call a self avowed white supremest who’s group of people ran a woman down who was protesting against white supremacy, very fine people.

Trump sought out to tell white supremacy groups that he fights for them, something no other president would do.

Sorry, you can’t call white supremacy groups your friend and ask for their vote, then say, I’m not for white supremacy.

Now, to your point about 401k’s, I do wish more people would invest even at the lower levels of the economy. Even a little bit goes a long way. We work for what, 40, 50 years? $100 a month for 40 years at 6% interest is 200K. If after 40 years you don’t own your home 200k will buy you one cash. This is how you get ahead and pas down wealth. But you have to have $100 a month to spare.


BTW, good to see you are still around. I kinda miss our discussions. Hope you are doing well.
Amp,

Glad to see you are still around as well, and thanks for having a civil discourse on topics we obviously disagree on. I hope you are doing well up there.

I have heard rumors of Trump discriminating on rentals, but I need to research this fully before commenting. As far as the Charlotsville riots, you are misquoting him. In fact, Trump specifically stated "there are fine people on BOTH sides of the argument". This is indisputable. You have adapted the media's deliberate misrepresentation of Trump on this matter, which is, of course, exactly what the media wants.

I am not aware of any white supremecy group that Trump is "fighting for" can you elaborate?

Look, I think Trump acts like a douche 99% of the time, but if I thought for a moment he actually was a racist, I would not vote for him. Hell, if there was a more moderate choice on either side of the aisle, I would vote for that person. But I don't see that moderate.

Again, hope you are well, brother.
 

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I actually thought Trump was toast. The GOP had a bad day yesterday. But MIchael Steele, who is a Republican I do respect, said McConnell said he didn’t have the votes to stop witnesses, but what he really said was there is not going to be any witnesses, and McConnell knows there is not 4 votes. They asked Steele if this was him talking or he herd from someone, Steele said it’s a little of both.

Yesterday’s GOP caucus was an agreement between who would vote for witnesses, and to align the party of what’s going to happen next, who should talk, and who needs shut the hell up.

The GOP is going to take their chances in the general election. It worked once so why not again. Witnesses only builds public outcry for what we already know, he did this and it was a crime. Trumps defense admitted they held the money for an investigation of a political opponent so they don’t need witnesses to say he didn’t do that.

What Trump did was a crime and it was an unethical move to influence an election. And let’s face it, this is WHO TRUMP IS AS A PERSON. He has no interest is what’s fair and only cares about his power. I think you really have to ask yourself, do you want future presidents to do and act the same way? Are you doing okay with a president that can not ignore congress, and do what ever he wants?
 

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Okay,

So here’s the deal, and why Trump must be removed from his office.

Trump’s lawyers and essentially Trump, says the president can accept foreign support as long it’s not a clear, CLEAR, violation of statuette. And if it’s in the “Public Interest” whatever he does is not an impeachable and removable offense.

Hmm, therefore, if the President deems it in the “Public Interest” he can give Iran and North Korea nukes, he can’t be impeached!

That’s how extreme this policy is, and now that Trump is asserting this policy, he can really do what he wants.

This is Trump saying exactly what Nixon said, “If the President does it, it’s not a crime”

This policy standing will open the door for foreign governments to entrap US officials in an effort to sway or elections. US politicians will have an open invitation to work with foreign governments to get dirt, true or not true on political opponents. This, making these politicians in debt to these foreign governments.

Trumps has to go, we are on the edge of breaking the constitution.
 

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Another failed Coup attempt gets laid to rest. What will the desperate Democrats cook up now, as the election clock ticks ever closer to another four years?
 

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Another failed Coup attempt gets laid to rest. What will the desperate Democrats cook up now, as the election clock ticks ever closer to another four years?
Lol, this wasn’t coup. This was a legitimate crime perpetrated by Trump. And the eventual outcome is worse, because Lamar said, “Yes he did these things, Trump absolutely asked a foreign government to investigate a political rival for his personal gain” AND I DO NOT THINK ITS A IMPEACHABLE CRIME”.

It also means any president can pretty much do what ever he wants. Congress can appropriate money, and if the president decides there is something he doesn’t like, he can withhold the money. Trump has threatened this before, now he will do it.

Do you not see where this leads? This was is not about Dems Vs. GOP, or left Vs. right. I no more want a Dem President usurping Congress than I want Trump,

Our democracy as we know it dies on Wednesday’s vote.
 

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The answer to "what they've cooked up" is an election. One in which 220+ (R's) will have to own their impeachment votes.
 

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The answer to "what they've cooked up" is an election. One in which 220+ (R's) will have to own their impeachment votes.
Yes, the election IS the designed vehicle to hold politicians accountable. Unfortunately for you, your socialist pals parading around Iowa right now are going to get their asses kicked......again. But, just for shits and grins, I really, REALLY hope ya'll roll out Komrad Bernie for the masses..........
 

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Yes, the election IS the designed vehicle to hold politicians accountable. Unfortunately for you, your socialist pals parading around Iowa right now are going to get their asses kicked......again. But, just for shits and grins, I really, REALLY hope ya'll roll out Komrad Bernie for the masses..........
Then why bother having an impeachment process? If politicians had the pleasure of only being held accountable at an election, then they are basically free to do what ever they want. What about Presidents that are term limited? How do you hold them accountable?

Impeachment is a necessary tool to remove Presidents that have violated the law and or the constitution, something this president has done both.

I’d honestly rather conservatives say, “we got over because we have the senate, and McConnell is a partisan, and we all know he’s two faced”. Not my words, by his words alone. He said if a Supreme Court justice position was open in an election year (with a Republican President) he’s give them an up or down vote. Sound familiar? Lol

Please don’t make this out to be something that is legal, cause we all know it’s not. If elections were where politicians were accountable then just push everything to a vote and let people decide. In 1860, let the people decide on slavery. In 1920, let the people decide on the woman’s right to vote. Let people decide on the 18th and 21st amendment. Why do we even need representatives?

Just remember this when there is a Democrat President and Senate, you may not like how things go. Oh, remember that money allocated to the military, let me see where I can re-direct that to say, gun control maybe?
 

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For eight long, miserable years I and millions of other Americans had to listen to Obama attempt to fundamentally transform a great country that did not require it. We had to endure his endless apology tours, and watch him being lovingly praised by a compliant media. Eight long, miserable years.

Now it is your turn. You have to learn to accept election results you don't like, and learn what the bar is for actual impeachment. You don't get to impeach a President for what you perceive to be a crime. Shiff and Nadler were out of their league, and today's vote will confirm that. Yet another humiliating defeat for your leftist party.....and there will be many more to come. Nancy did us yet another solid last night with her childish ripping up of Trump's speech.....her behaviour was on full display for the country to see.

So......what will be the next attempt to undo the 2016 election?
 
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