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I've been calling all over three states for the last several days trying to nail down a deal on an 04 CBR F4i. Every single dealer that I have spoken to has given me the same run-around BS. I offer to walk in with a check and all that they can do is *maybe* 8000, or 7600, or 7800 all before the $350 taxes/tag for SC. I just don't get it. How does an 04 at the end of the season command full retail ($8100 or even close) when it seems like most everyone I talk to or read about have managed to find this bike and get OTD for $7500 total or less.

I keep getting the $7100 is our cost, we can't sell you a bike for near that.
I am so sick of the whole deal that I am about to say the hell with buying a bike period. :angry

Does anyone know of a dealer in either of these three states that doesn't have an attitude problem and can actually call a potential customer back when they say they will? I refuse to kiss their butt when I am the customer, and yet I am the one that has to return multiple calls to get a response.

I'm seriously looking for an 04 CBR F4i in red/black. If you know of a dealer that I can contact that is willing to work with me, drop me a note.

thanks - and sorry for the rant. Maybe some of you know what I am talking about...
 

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It might be a little much of a drive for you, but the local Honda dealer here is pretty reasonable usually. He sold his personall 1000RR for $8400 with a couple thousand miles on it to a guy on eBay.

(434) 847-1276 Honda-Suzuki of Lynchburg.
 

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+1 to lake hills motor

fyi get training www.msf-usa.org

and start small and call your insurance o before you get the bike.......they may not let you get it w/ their rates.

Why buy a smaller, used bike first and then work your way up to the larger and/or more powerful bike?
This question seems to get debated ad-nauseum on internet discussion sites so I thought I'd put together my thoughts about it... take it or leave it, this advice is genuinely offered if you are in the position of starting motorcycling.

Many people view Harleys and other cruisers as proper bikes. Big 1000cc 1200cc bikes - "men's bikes"!! Or maybe the fastest bike ever, a Hayabusa 1300cc rocketship - woah, now that's a "real bike". So, a 600cc "crotch rocket" would be half the size and therefore a kid's bike - ideal for a learner obviously... Wrong - don't even go there. The big four manufacturers fight over that lucrative market like hungry hyenas, making beautiful shiny (virtually) race ready sportbikes that few new riders can resist.

So they innocently ask "which is the best 600cc bike to learn on?".

Comparing 600cc sportbikes as starter bikes is daft. They all have twice the power and a much much higher top speed than a cruiser. Some may be tamer than others but the basic premise of a middleweight sportbike is all wrong for learning motorcycle skills. The ergonomics are out and out dangerous for a newbie on the street ( reaching for clip ons, rear-set pegs, craning neck up in traffic, restricted turning circle etc etc..) and the power's too much. It's better to focus on a smaller displacement 'standard' bike. They are set up for more compliant handling and ride and they are more comfortable, an important point while you're learning.

Take the pressure off - get a starter bike to start on.

Accidents happen mostly between 6th month and 3rd year of riding so learn on something you won't be so upset about when you drop it.

A less powerful bike will not punish you so badly for jerking the throttle like a newbie.

Smaller and lighter bikes are easier to handle. There's a lot to think about until you're comfortable about turning, stopping, gearchanging acceleration.

The value of a smaller bike, eg a 250, is learning to get the performance out of them - it really teaches you to ride to the bike's and your own potential. A 250, 350, 400 might seem small to you at first, but think of it as a step in the journey, learn to wring it's neck and be a better rider in the long run.

Regardless of power and speed, it's a good idea for new riders to geta bike that allows both feet to be placed flat on the ground. This tends to inspire confidence and will eliminate a lot of concern about dropping the bike. Undeniably, the slow parking lot type manoevers are the trickiest for a new rider, and being able to put your feet down really helps.

Smaller bikes are also usually lighter - weight can be a big deal in gaining confidence on the first bike.

Starting on a faster bike makes learning proper brake technique harder. Most new riders cannot judge how to use brakes effectively, intuition tells us that using the front brake will "flip" the bike or make the tire slide out. It's common for new riders to thus make the mistake of depending on the rear brake and the faster you are going the deadlier it can be.

Insurance rates are much higher for the larger more powerful bikes.

What if you don't like riding? Used bikes don't depreciate as quickly as new bikes so you'll lose out less when you sell it.

If you buy a cheaper bike, you'll be able to afford better quality protective gear: Minumum should be full face helmet, Leather jacket, gloves, boots and leather pants (yes - leather pants: studies show the majority of injuries to bikers are lower body injuries). Also, wear all your gear every time you ride, even if it's just a mile or two down to the shops.

Here's a selfish reason: I've been riding for many years and I don't want newbies who are out of their depth tarnishing the image of sportbike riders - yes other more experienced and immature riders do plenty of that too but law enforcement can spot a newbie on a sportbike just as easily as you or I can.

The desire for a larger bike is sometimes (often) a result of peer pressure. How you deal with what others think of you is your problem but if you decide on the sportbike because you want to fit in or because your buddies said so, then you need to think really seriously about that.

Most expert riders recommend learning on a smaller bike as the safer route.

If you ask an experienced rider's opinion, find out from them: how experienced they are, exactly what they started on and what kind of riding they do. Me, I've ridden streetbikes for 28 years and half that time on sportbikes. I started on a Yamaha RD250 two-stroke.

The salesman at the bike showroom should NEVER be considered an experienced or expert rider in this matter. Whatever he says, take it with a pinch of salt, especially if it would seem to be helping him with a sale.

Newbies on powerful sportbikes look a LOT funnier wobbling round turns than newbies on smaller bikes.

Some people claim proudly ...I survived as a litre bike newbie... having got a big bad sportbike as their first bike and six months later, they're still around to talk about it. That's great but they were/are beating the odds and playing a high stakes game - the stake they are risking is their health or even their life. It's not really that wonderful. The other thing is, it's usually quite easy to spot the ones who started on b***** bikes - uncomfortable looking on the bike, less fluid on twisty roads, more focused on straightline speed than form, and quite embarrassing to watch at less than 5mph speeds.

This is not from my own experience, but many riders have said that motorcyclists who learn first on dirtbikes end up as better riders when they transition to streetbikes. This I think is a lot to do with throttle control, balance and learning far more about the limits of tire traction. So consider going that route first. MSF now runs Dirt Bike Schools for beginners.

A used bike will teach you about motorcycle maintainance, something every rider should at least know the basics of. It's less likely you'll want to get your hands dirty on a newer or more high-tech model.

Whichever bike you have decided on, try doing the basic Motorcycle Safety Foundation training course course BEFORE you commit to a bike. The MSF lend you a small displacement bike to start on and the time you spend riding that may help you with your decision. If you're outside the USA, take a look at these training links and see if you can find a local class.
 

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Many people view Harleys and other cruisers as proper bikes. Big 1000cc 1200cc bikes - "men's bikes"!!
Whomever wrote this needs to update their numbers. The only Harley I can think of that falls between 1000 to 1200cc's is the Sportster, and most "Harley" guys consider that a starter bike.
 

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Whomever wrote this needs to update their numbers. The only Harley I can think of that falls between 1000 to 1200cc's is the Sportster, and most "Harley" guys consider that a starter bike.
Maybe he's not up on current Harleys, but the rest of RACERX's advice is spot on.
Unless you're already jaded by riding 100+ HP bikes, start out on 500cc or older 600 with more rake and trail!
 

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some numbers from the raleigh area...
ron ayers motorsports 1-888-766-2937

honda suzuki arctic cat of sanford
1-800-951-3638

performance honda of raleigh
1-919-877-0086
 

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I'll second RacerX on the MSF course. Saved my ass from a serious spill on one occasion and a couple other minor possibles on a few others.

I can also say that a 600 is a big bike to start on. I did it mostly cause I am well aware of my limits, boundries, etc. I also had mostly outgrown my 'I like to do dumb things on/in vehicles' stage.

On gear one thing RacerX fails to address is weight gain. Since I bought my bike I've put on 20 lbs purely in my belly and my now fat ass. My jacket fits like a champ but no way in hell I'm getting into my pants. I'm also a textile person so I can say for a fact there are textile overpants. They do exactly as their name implies they fit over your current pants. Does leather do the same anyone?

On maintence I wish the MSF did a bit more of this. Now that you've got your shiny new <insert bike here> how do I change <insert important thing here>.

And once again I shall second RacerX on taking the MSF course, VERY valuable info there.
 
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