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Hey guys, new member here.

I have a few questions that I'd hoped could be answered by a few of you guys...

I have a yamaha yzf-r6 (2001) that I plan on riding to and from school (as well as around my town here in california)

I am 17 years of age at the moment.

I know you guys generally do not recommend 600cc SS bikes for anyone just starting to ride street, and I understand why. I'm not so naive to think myself invincible, but given the short distances and lower speeds of the area I will be navigating (plus I will be putting in time at some of the Yamaha track days around my area of Cali) I think that I can keep myself pretty safe. I have riding equipment.

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1. Do I need to take a MSF before I get my motorcycle permit? I have completed my drivers training/drivers education (here it says I do not, but I've seen other places it says I do.) This says I do not...?

2. When coming up to a round-about, are you allowed to lanes split to the front?


These are the question I'm most curious of as of now, if anyone can assist me I'd appreciate it.

Thanks!:)
 

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I'm from Cali.
You can go take a written test for the permit and receive it on spot. (if you pass) It's not hard, I went in there without doing any study whats so ever, passed it. JK, I failed so I picked up a handbook, sat there and read it for 20 min, took it again and passed. Then I went to a bike dealership and bought my first brand new first bike!
I don't understand your 2nd question.... at all. lol
Btw, you'll be cool on the 600 man don't trip.
 

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I'm from Cali.
You can go take a written test for the permit and receive it on spot. (if you pass) It's not hard, I went in there without doing any study whats so ever, passed it. JK, I failed so I picked up a handbook, sat there and read it for 20 min, took it again and passed. Then I went to a bike dealership and bought my first brand new first bike!
I don't understand your 2nd question.... at all. lol
Btw, you'll be cool on the 600 man don't trip.
Ok, thanks for the answer. Not sure if you quite understood my question.

Do I need to take the Motorcycle Safety Course before going in for the permit?
 

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Ok, thanks for the answer. Not sure if you quite understood my question.

Do I need to take the Motorcycle Safety Course before going in for the permit?
No. But you'll need to do it before you get the full license.
 

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Welcome to the world, I glade you have a bike now get out and learn how to use it.
Take the MSF corse make sure you have enough insurance. Just Ride.
1st I would not ride it to and from school until you are super efficient on a motorcycle. There is a lot about riding that has nothing to do with starting and stopping the bike. Your classmates are trying to run you over. That pack shifted and now you are in a bush. So on.
2nd. The track and street have nothing in common. Most pro racers do not ride street because they don't have the skill set to deal with deer, kids chasing balls, crap falling of of trucks, traffic coming at them.
 

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Ok, thanks for the answer. Not sure if you quite understood my question.

Do I need to take the Motorcycle Safety Course before going in for the permit?
Nah the course is for your license. You don't even have to take the course at all to get a license but it's a good idea since you'll gain knowledge and insurance discounts! But yeah just walk into a DMV and ask for the riding permit test.
 

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Scratch that, since you're under 17, you will have to take the course for a license. But I'm sure the permit is the same way. And take the course before you turn 18. They give you a huge discount to take the course! The one I looked into charged $150 for under 18 and $250 for the rest of us old farts.
 

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Scratch that, since you're under 17, you will have to take the course for a license. But I'm sure the permit is the same way. And take the course before you turn 18. They give you a huge discount to take the course! The one I looked into charged $150 for under 18 and $250 for the rest of us old farts.
I plan on taking it ASAP, but I was curious as to whether I could get my permit without taking it prior.

Thanks :)
 

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Welcome to the world, I glade you have a bike now get out and learn how to use it.
Take the MSF corse make sure you have enough insurance. Just Ride.
1st I would not ride it to and from school until you are super efficient on a motorcycle. There is a lot about riding that has nothing to do with starting and stopping the bike. Your classmates are trying to run you over. That pack shifted and now you are in a bush. So on.
2nd. The track and street have nothing in common. Most pro racers do not ride street because they don't have the skill set to deal with deer, kids chasing balls, crap falling of of trucks, traffic coming at them.
I've got a fair amount (60+ hours) on the street, so it's not as if I'm starting from nothing. I have insurance, and my dad rides his r6 daily as well.

When it comes to school, I have little other transportation options but the ride is relatively safe (I know of three other guys who ride daily)

I have a little over 60 hours of experience on the street alone.
 

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might as well be is Kevin's point.


You need a permit to take the MSF... at least in all the states I have come into contact with on the East coast. I would assume it is the same in CA.

The permit isn't a road test- go to their DMV site- they probably have a downloadable book for you to look through- I would highly recommend reading it- no shit. people walk in cold and fail the test all the time.

get the little piece of paper- and sign up for the MSF. take MSF.

practice in the parking lot A LOT. Ride mid day- or late at night when the roads are empty- avoid rush hour (6-9/10- lunch time 11:30-1:30) and PM rush hour.

When you get bored of practicing drills- do it at least another 100 times.

Don't forget to budget gear (YOU NEED GEAR) and insurance and things into the equation. Be safe, ride as if no one can see you and don't be afraid to ask questions!
 

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I plan on taking it ASAP, but I was curious as to whether I could get my permit without taking it prior.

Thanks :)
Maybe I ddin't word it correctly. Yes, you can go get your permit before you take the course.

Ride safe!
 

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The MSF is completely voluntary. You do not HAVE TO TAKE IT. You want your learners permit, go to the DMV and take the written test.

Now what's legal and what's intelligent may be different. The MSF replaces your practical DMV riding test in the state of CA to get your M license. So that consists of getting on your bike, starting it, and going around a low speed circle while your tires don't touch the painted lines of said circle. That's it. You basically have to make a u turn. It's harder than you think as the path is relatively narrow, but it's a joke at the same time as this doesn't even remotely encompass what you need to do to be a competent rider.

So on the other hand, if you take the MSF, it's 250-275 bucks (if my memory serves) and it teaches you much more information than some jackwad with a clipboard telling you to go 5mph around a circle in a parking lot does. If you pass the MSF class, you have to take the written test at the DMV to get your M license. Do you already have your M class learners permit and you just passed the MSF class? Congratulations, you now have your license! Easy peasy.

To answer question number 2, CHP states that lane splitting is legal if done safely and at low speeds. Basically meaning that it's up to them and their discretion. And yet I have a feeling that you really REALLY don't need to worry about this if you don't know how to get your license. ;)
 

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...Most pro racers do not ride street because they don't have the skill set to deal with deer, kids chasing balls, crap falling of of trucks, traffic coming at them.
What!?!?! :eek:nfloor they have the skill set, they just won't risk their careers riding street and dealing with those hazards. Most of them return to street riding after their racing careers.
 

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The MSF is completely voluntary. You do not HAVE TO TAKE IT. You want your learners permit, go to the DMV and take the written test.

Now what's legal and what's intelligent may be different. The MSF replaces your practical DMV riding test in the state of CA to get your M license. So that consists of getting on your bike, starting it, and going around a low speed circle while your tires don't touch the painted lines of said circle. That's it. You basically have to make a u turn. It's harder than you think as the path is relatively narrow, but it's a joke at the same time as this doesn't even remotely encompass what you need to do to be a competent rider.

So on the other hand, if you take the MSF, it's 250-275 bucks (if my memory serves) and it teaches you much more information than some jackwad with a clipboard telling you to go 5mph around a circle in a parking lot does. If you pass the MSF class, you have to take the written test at the DMV to get your M license. Do you already have your M class learners permit and you just passed the MSF class? Congratulations, you now have your license! Easy peasy.

To answer question number 2, CHP states that lane splitting is legal if done safely and at low speeds. Basically meaning that it's up to them and their discretion. And yet I have a feeling that you really REALLY don't need to worry about this if you don't know how to get your license. ;)
Thanks for the reply.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid your first answer is false. I finally got in contact with the DMV today, verified that, as of January 11, 2011, ALL riders under the age of 21 MUST do the MSC before applying for a PERMIT or License.

I knew how to get my permit/license, but there was contradicting information on the DMV.

The second point is more helpful. I guess, if it's safe, it's legal. Judgement call, as so much of street riding is.

Thanks:)

Thanks for all the other help guys :)
 

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What!?!?! :eek:nfloor they have the skill set, they just won't risk their careers riding street and dealing with those hazards. Most of them return to street riding after their racing careers.
Also: this. I have followed AMA, WSB, and MotoGP racers for a very long time, having met some of the greatest in the field (I've attended numerous MotoGP events, met and had the opportunity to hang out with a bunch of professional crews)

Most of the guys don't ride too much street (esp. at the world-pro level) but many do when retired and/or off season.
 

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Thanks for the reply.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid your first answer is false. I finally got in contact with the DMV today, verified that, as of January 11, 2011, ALL riders under the age of 21 MUST do the MSC before applying for a PERMIT or License.

I knew how to get my permit/license, but there was contradicting information on the DMV.

The second point is more helpful. I guess, if it's safe, it's legal. Judgement call, as so much of street riding is.

Thanks:)

Thanks for all the other help guys :)
No shit? I didn't clue in on your age so that blew right over me. Plus j got my license before then anyways so thanks for correcting me. Now it's learned something today. :)
 

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Oh and because everyone somehow missed this, in the state of California even if you have completed the MSF course(s) and gotten your Motorycle Permit in the state of California, you are not legally eligible for a Motorycle License until the age of 21. Yup, you can knock out all the courses and written test and ride to your hearts content, but you still have to wait til you are 21 before the DMV will even entertain the idea of issuing you a Motorcycle License.

Found this out in my BRC course and my wife found out at the DMV when she transferred from KY to CA Driver Licenses. She has been legally licensed for 3 years in the state of KY but CA won't let her have a CA one until she is 21. She was PISSED.
 
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