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I have been looking at the new FZ6R as a starter bike for the last few days and after reading the reviews it seems to be fitting the mold of a decent (although on the high end of the spectrum) starter bike. I have a comparison against 2 bikes that are often thrown out there are good bikes to start on if you simply dont want a 250/500.... the SV650 and Ninja 650r. from all the specs, it looks like a very manageable bike that wont get you into too much trouble.....


FZ6R: (NOTE, This is not he 90hp FZ6, it is the FZ6R)
Engine type l-c inline-four
Valve train DOHC, 4v
Displacement 600cc
Bore x stroke 65.5 x 44.5mm
Compression 12.2:1
Fuel System EFI
Clutch Wet, multi-plate
Transmssion 6-speed
Claimed horsepower 78
Claimed torque 43
Frame Tubular-steel
Front suspension Soqi telescopic fork
Rear suspension Single Soqi shock with adjustable spring preload and rebound damping
Front brake Brembo two-piston calipers, 298mm disc
Rear brake Brembo single-piston caliper, 245mm disc
Front tire 120/70-ZR17 Bridgestone BT021
Rear tire 160/60-ZR17 Bridgestone BT021
Rake/trail 26/4.1 in.
Seat height 30.9-31.7 in.
Wheelbase 56.7 in.
Fuel Capacity 4.6 gal
Claimed curb weight 470 lbs.


Ninja 650r:
Engine Type 649 cc, liquid-cooled, parallel twin
Bore/Stroke 83.0 x 60.0 mm
Compression Ratio 11.3:1
Maximum Power 71 hp @ 8,500 rpm
Maximum Torque 48.5 lbf·ft @ 7,000 rpm
Valve Train DOHC, four valves per cylinder
Carburetion Digital fuel injection, 38 mm Keihin throttle bodies
Ignition Digital CDI
Lubrication System Semi-dry sump, SAE 10W-40

Drivetrain
Transmission 6-speed w/multi-plate clutch
Gear Ratios
1st - 39/16 (2.438)
2nd - 36/21 (1.714)
3rd - 32/24 (1.333)
4th - 30/27 (1.111)
5th - 28/29 (0.966)
6th - 23/27 (0.852)

Chassis/Suspension/Brakes
Front Suspension 41 mm telescopic fork, 120 mm (4.7 in) travel
Rear Suspension Single offset laydown shock w/adjustable preload; 125 mm (4.9 in) travel
Front Brakes Dual 300 mm petal discs w/2-piston calipers (Optional ABS)
Rear Brakes Single 220 mm petal disc w/single-piston caliper (Optional ABS)
Front Tire 120/70ZR-17M/C 58W
Rear Tire 160/60ZR-17M/C 69W

Dimensions
Length 82.9 in)
Width 29.9 in
Height 47.6 in, (0.0 in
Wheelbase 55.5 in
Seat Height 31.1 in
Dry Weight .5 lb, 401.3 lb w/ABS
Fuel Capacity 4.1 U.S. gallons

1/4 mile 12.06 sec @ 108.79 mph
0-60 mph 3.84 sec
0-100 mph 10.95 sec
Roll-On, 60-80 mph 3.58 sec
Roll-On, 80-100 mph 4.68 sec


SV650:
Engine Type 645 cc, four-stroke, liquid-cooled, 90° V-twin, DOHC, 8-valves, TSCC
Bore x Stroke 81.0 x 62.6 mm
Compression 11.5:1
Power 72.5 hp @ 9,000 rpm
Torque 47.2 ft·lbf @ 7500 rpm
Fuel system Mikuni BDSR39 x2 Fuel injection
Ignition Digital / transistorized

CHASSIS
Frame Aluminium alloy
Oval tube trellis (silver) Pressure Cast Aluminium alloy
Truss (silver) Pressure Cast Aluminium alloy
Truss (matte black)
Front Suspension 41 mm damping rod fork with pre-load adjustment, 130 mm (5.1 in) travel
Rear Suspension Link-type single-shock with 7-way adjustable pre-load
Front Brakes Dual 290 mm floating disc Dual 290 mm floating disc
Optional ABS
Rear Brakes Single 240 mm floating disc Single 240 mm floating disc
Optional ABS
Front Tire 120/60-ZR17 MC (55W), tubeless
Rear Tire 160/60-ZR17 MC (69W), tubeless

DIMENSIONS
Length - 81.9 in, 82.1 in (A, S), 83.5 in (SA, SF)
Width - 29.3 in, 28.7 in (S, SA, SF)
Height - 42.7 in, 46.1 in (S, SA, SF)
Wheelbase - 56.7 in, 56.3 in (S, SA), 57.9 in (SF)
Seat Height - 31.5 in
Ground Clearance -5.9 in, 6.1 in (S, SA, SF)
Dry Weight - 370 lb (A), 379 lb (S, SF)
Fuel Capacity - 4.5 gal
Oil Capacity - 2.5 qt / 2.9 qt w/filter change
Rake - 25°
Trail - 102 mm

DRIVETRAIN
Primary Reduction 34/71 (2.088)
Final Reduction 15/45 (3.000)
1st Gear 32/13 (2.461)
2nd Gear 32/18 (1.777)
3rd Gear 29/21 (1.380)
4th Gear 27/24 (1.125)
5th Gear 25/26 (0.961)
6th Gear 23/27 (0.851)
Final Drive #525 O-ring Chain

VALVETRAIN
Valve Angle - 16° Exhaust
Intake Valves 31 mm
Intake Valve Stem 4.5 mm
Intake Valve Lift 8.1 mm
Exhaust Valves 25.5 mm
Exhaust Valve Stem 4.5 mm
Exhaust Valve Lift 6.1 mm

Performance
1/4 Mile - 11.82 sec @ 106.02 mph
0-60 mph - 3.65 sec
0-100 mph - 9.94 sec
Fuel Mileage - 45-55 mpg




I cannot find a thumbnail dyno charts for the FZ6r that I can link, but I have seen one and it seems that the 650's build HP/tq faster through the mid (4000-8000) rpm range. The FZ6r also seems to have a very flat tq curve (basically a strait line) throughout the rpms making it very smooth to control.

Cons of the FZ6r are obviously the heavy weight, although reviews have said it is still very easy to maneuver at slow speeds. Obviously the price tag is high, and there are not many used ones on the market yet since it is fairly new, but time will fix that. I am going to go to the Yamaha dealer this afternoon and sit on one of these to compare the seat/bike comfort against the 650r and SV650 that I have sat on.

I am really starting to consider this a bike to add to the "accptable 1st bike option".
 

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How are you wasting cash? Buying a used 250, riding it for a year, and then selling it for what you paid, then buying a used FZ6R/Ninja 650r/SV650 will still be the total net amound spent than if you just bought a used FZ6R/Ninja 650r/SV650 right off the bat.......
 

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How are you wasting cash? Buying a used 250, riding it for a year, and then selling it for what you paid, then buying a used FZ6R/Ninja 650r/SV650 will still be the total net amound spent than if you just bought a used FZ6R/Ninja 650r/SV650 right off the bat.......
That's a lot of money for a bike you are going to trash, basically. I never recommend a new bike for the first 2-3 seasons.
 

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Lewd is trying to get you to understand that you WILL be crashing your first bike. Why would you want to pay more for a bike that you're not even going to use to it's potential as a 'learner' (which isn't the 'best choice' as a learner anyways)? I'm not against the SV as a first bike. Nor am I against the 650 Ninja... but compared to a 250, I'd recommend emphatically for any friend of myne to get the 250 and learn on that for the first year. Crash it, sell it for the same amount as you paid and THEN get whatever bike you really WANT, with some knowledge and skills to keep that one up.
 

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is that a rule?
You stand a pretty good chance of dropping your first bike. Not to mention not being real good on the maintenance front.

Your risk of crashing is highest from the 12 through the 36th month of riding, according to the MAIDS report.
 

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i bought a brand new 2006 Ninja 250R in May 2006. put 12k miles on it and sold it for $500 less in October 2007.

in the meantime i had purchased a 2005 SV650S with full fairings and only 1,3xx miles in September 07. sold it in August 08 with over 8k miles for $250 MORE than i paid for it originally

i always recommend a 250 or 500 for someone with zero riding experience, but i'm just noob myself
 

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As a rule of thumb you don't buy a new bike as a starter. More than likely you will do some kind of damage to the body. Or you might just decide you are not that into biking and will lose your ass when you sell it. Buy used first!!
 

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what the fuck!!!!!! READ THE FUCKING THREAD NOT JUST THE REPLYS!!!!! I HAVE NO INTENTION OF BUYING A NEW BIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually will not lose any money if you drop/scratch the bike unless you plan to sell it... if you have not plans to sell it. a bike like the FZ6r would not be something you would get tired of after 1 year and therefore would not need to be resold to buy the bike you want. any damage you do to it wont cost you resale value since I would not be looking to sell it ever....

again, not saying its my 1# choice for a 1st bike (GS500 is still in the lead) but the specs lead me to believe that it is in the same acceptable group as the SV/Ninja
 

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what the fuck!!!!!! READ THE FUCKING THREAD NOT JUST THE REPLYS!!!!! I HAVE NO INTENTION OF BUYING A NEW BIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually will not lose any money if you drop/scratch the bike unless you plan to sell it... if you have not plans to sell it. a bike like the FZ6r would not be something you would get tired of after 1 year and therefore would not need to be resold to buy the bike you want. any damage you do to it wont cost you resale value since I would not be looking to sell it ever....

again, not saying its my 1# choice for a 1st bike (GS500 is still in the lead) but the specs lead me to believe that it is in the same acceptable group as the SV/Ninja
Read up on buying habits. Motorcyclists tend to change bikes every 2-3 years. You should consider resale value.

Also, resale value in that group (600cc bikes that AREN'T CBR/GSXR tend to sink like a lead weight.
 
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