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Everything we have grown to love and expect seems to have slipped away....where's all the smiles???
 

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Smilies will be installed shortly.. should have it done Monday

but Amco just made a good point.. sure we will go through a big change.. but it can be for the better.. only time will tell
 

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I have to tell you, my personal confidence level in the reliablity and long term viability of this message board is simply non-existent. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.
 

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I have to tell you, my personal confidence level in the reliablity and long term viability of this message board is simply non-existent. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.
So then dont come back.. Im not forcing you to stay.

I really dont give a a rats ass what you do.

But for the people that do care. I will continue to provide a website for them. Its simple as that.
 

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CasterTroy said:
stuff happens

Wurd, I'd rather have a new, fresh, uncorrupted board...rather than have the old one go down all the time because it's constantly being band-aided...
 

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I have to tell you, my personal confidence level in the reliablity and long term viability of this message board is simply non-existent. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.
Exactly what Fred said, Do like you said you were going to do on CF and start your own little Iowa Sportbike World. :rolleyes

Oh yeah and good luck to ya.
 

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Oh boo hoo, we had to re-register, and the massive amounts of porn can't be viewd on the old board anymore, and our whorish post count numbers are gone. Whatever shall we do ?! :rolleyes:

I would rather have it like it is now, than get errors, and have to post the same message 3 or 4 times to get it to go through. Now everything is working like it should, and hella fast at that. Nothing stays the same, if it does, it gets left behind. Survival of the fittest, in it's finest internet form.
 

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I have to tell you, my personal confidence level in the reliablity and long term viability of this message board is simply non-existent. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.
I have noticed a huge improvement in the reliability of the board. I haven't been a member for long but I think this board is great even if it only lasts a month at a time.
 

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ZeuSeason said:
I'll remember that for my next contribution. Too late for my first.
Hey I understand when people get upset becuase we had to make a decision and start over.

But what pisses me off is what people dont understand everything we have done to save the database. Weeks upon weeks we made attempts to save the database and it just wasnt working. In fact it was getting worse. The server we where on I had no control over. I couldnt even see my files. Yes it was a temporary server but still couldnt make changes that we needed to keep running.

Sportbikes.net has been running for many years.. And it will continue to run for many more years. Changes will happen daily.. New things will be installed. New members will sign up. And some members will move onto different hobbies. It happens.

I dont force anyone to stay on the website. And for the people that contribute and work hard for this website we all appreciate it. Becuase its us as a whole that makes the website. Not just one piece of software.

I will continue to bring new things into the Sportbike Mainstream. New features for our dedicated members.

Now. Your thinking of your donation. Think about this. Think about your donation and multiply it by hundreds.. Thats how much money, time and effort myself I have put into the site before I restart it to scratch. Believe me my friend. It wasnt a easy thing to do. I made calls. I talked to database experts I have even paid people to try to fix the database and no one was able to do it. It wasnt like I sat here saying how can I screw with my members today.

I just hope you and everyone else realizes that donations dont just go into my pocket. It goes to either paying for our problems like it did lately.. which wasnt enough to cover the bill btw.. I put out a lot myself. It also has gone to upgrade our software. Purchase new software and also paid for lapses in our hosting when advertisers are not on the website. Most of the time money is still coming out of my pocket however its something I enjoy doing and will always enjoy doing.

I have said it once before and I will say it again. Sportbikes.net will continue to run if it has 10 members or even 10000 members. it will always be here no matter what.

And for someone to say they have no faith in the website.. well I didnt have faith in the database.. why we had to make this decision.

Anyways I hope everyone understands this wasnt a Shot in the dark thing. This was talked about. And had to be done.
 

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ZeuSeason said:
I have noticed a huge improvement in the reliability of the board. I haven't been a member for long but I think this board is great even if it only lasts a month at a time.
D0H.. you changed your post :) hahahaha..

Anyways I am happy to see the FZ owners on this website and everyone else.. Its why a continue to bring new things for our members
 

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I apologize for the length of this reply, I think my message and intent has been largely misunderstood and I want to cover several points. If you don't care, by all means just keep on scrolling, if I didn't address your comments adequately, I'd be happy to do so if you'd like to PM or email me.

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So then dont come back.. Im not forcing you to stay.

I really dont give a a rats ass what you do.

But for the people that do care. I will continue to provide a website for them. Its simple as that.
I've frequently seen your short fuse towards others when they offer comment in this regard. You continue to miss the point, continually, with more continuation, without interruption, continually. If it wasn't relevant, if it wasn't a contention of caring, anyone...everyone, would go someplace else at their whim. Some most certainly have as I've seen discussed on other message boards; having once been regular visitors here, tired of the unstable nature, and went were the winds were more calm, so to speak. I share your opinion that if someone doesn't feel their getting their values worth, their free value, then by all means they should take their little red wagon and pound dirt. I offer comment because I do care. If I didn't, I'd just go someplace else, as anyone else would.

You can continue to provide a website "for the people that care", wipe the disk and do a fresh install of systems and applications daily, move from one server to the next, one provider to the next and it isn't the mere point of presence that it is of actual value to the visitor. It is not the continually, dynamically unstable environment, but at least they can view the availability of the SBN logo, portal website with at least 1/2 the links broken or otherwise invalid, and the existence of a fresh message board that people will ultimately care about - it's the reliability within the domain and the scope of free services it provides.

There is a vBulletin forum, or some other message medium, around every corner of the Internet. The fact one exists here "for those who care", even though that same message platform has been unreliable for the past months, is what people actually care about. Yes, yes...we've all lived in the world of "I do this for free, as a free service, if you don't like it leave, you don't pay the bills...", we all know what that's like and we all understand your less than unique position. I'm not trying to detract from any applicable appreciation. We're all quite aware of the thankless nature of a community portal. I'm not trying to appear unthankful, I'm trying to communicate the relative unstable nature of this little corner of the Internet is becoming more commonplace, expected, and anticipated than the actual presence of the free service(s) you're hoping to provide to the community base.

I'm not trying to jump on your back, bop you on the head and shout "I want my lollipop!!!". I'm just trying to say you've devoted a lot of effort at tweaking, hacking, and otherwise embedding all sorts of bells and whistles into this community portal of yours and I think a little less time should be spent adding pretty flashing lights and beeping noises that entice the monkeys and a little more time spent focusing on reliability and quality. The kingdom of sportbike websites surely doesn't center around whose forum has more add-in features. It's the forum its userbase can rely on.

I'm just here to communicate to like-minded individuals, frankly. I don't care for any arcade, petz, etc. etc. Those are all meaningless fluff to me. But, that's just my opinion. Just as it's only my opinion that more effort needs to be extended towards making the core functionality of a message board more stable. But, those are just my opinions - simply because I care in sharing them. The people who don't care are gone, are in the process of going, or otherwise move on without offering a peep. If you're not interested in the opinions of those who are here and do care, that simply speaks volumes about you as an individual.

I would rather have it like it is now, than get errors, and have to post the same message 3 or 4 times to get it to go through. Now everything is working like it should, and hella fast at that.
I think you're missing the b***** picture. Yes, it's fine now, without errors, and everything is working like it should but how long will that last? Obviously, the last install started out the same way and we arrived at a largely unavailable service after some point in time. How do you protect that from happening again in a month? Six months? A year? What steps do you take to avoid ending up at the same brick wall? Installing a forum fresh every so often is not by any means suggested as a viable example of forum, database, server, etc. management. Format/install, is not a solution embraced by those with technical backgrounds. "Ghosting" a machine to fix its problems is largely admission of defeat, where I come from.

But, things got bad and extreme measures needed taken. I understand that and I would have done the same thing. Sometimes things are so hosed it's best to start over, but this place has suffered some bumps in the administration road recently and I'm just concerned we'll be back where we started months down the road, having learned nothing, and I want a snazzy/fast message board at this domain for communicating with my fellow sportbikers as much as the next guy. That's what's important to me. We all want the lollipop. No, I'm not a contributor to this website, I haven't donated via Paypal for its support even though I have considered several times, simply because I don't trust in the way that money is allocated for the management and maintenance. Don't translate that to "I don't trust Fred with my money", by any means. That's not what I'm saying. Translate that to, "The current funds obviously don't impact the service levels, I doubt mine would either", if you have to translate it to anything.

Wurd, I'd rather have a new, fresh, uncorrupted board...rather than have the old one go down all the time because it's constantly being band-aided...
As would I. As would anyone. But, history will repeat itself if proper lessons aren't learned, if steps aren't taken. I'd like it to be up all the time and never band-aided. That's the perfect world we'd all like to live in, including Fred.

Exactly what Fred said, Do like you said you were going to do on CF and start your own little Iowa Sportbike World. (rolls eyes)
I'm not sure what has spurred your apparent hostile sarcasm nor the comment regarding the equally sarcastic "good luck", but the establishment of a domain, a CMS portal, and a messageboard are hardly rocket science level objectives. I mean no disrespect towards Fred or his efforts in executing such, but I can assure you my knowledge and experience, including prior work experience with companies geared towards just such endeavors, more than adequately qualifies me to make such blanketed statements. However, then again, you can find a portal/message board server found with nearly every fourteen year old's online-gaming clan site. These types of community portals are not a commodity on the Internet. Even if you have no Internet background, work fulltime as a heroin addicted high school janitor (no offense to the custodial service industry) just got your first ISP last year, and still think this World Wide Web stuff is still pretty darn nifty and inherently complex...logically, if you can see every teenager in the world builds portal/messageboard sites, I think it's safe to assume by even the layperson that it isn't an exercise in complexity.

I'm not trying to and certainly don't want to say "Everyone can do it", while pointing out Fred has had some very visible "oops" the in the recent past, with the intent of trying to highlight that I think he's a boob or something. Because, that's not the case. I think he's suffered some problems, not all which were his doing or under his control, and moved to resolve those issues to his best but if you compare the most popular sportbike community sites and compare them against issues surfaced in the last year, I'm afraid that this one would have to be represented as less than ideal.

I'm not saying BAD, but I'm saying could stand more room for improvement. And, again, it's not the bells and whistles, it isn't the fun add-on features - it's the mere reliability that today, tomorrow, next week...this wonderful portal exists, fast and friendly, bringing sportbike enthusiasts together as it always had.

I'm grateful of Fred's efforts, hard earned money spent, and most of all the time and devotion towards a group of lollipop suckers, such as ourselves. It takes a lot of patience, which of course he is sometimes short of, as we all are. But, the mere presence of my comments wishing things were better are because I care, because I appreciate Fred.

Don't misconstrue otherwise, please.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...SBN is one of the top sites on the net...It's one of the few sites that is unafraid to make changes...Some of the other sites have had the same boards, forums, scenery since their inception, but this site continues to try to make itself better on a continual basis...And to me, that's awesome...

I am yet to find anything that will remain perfect like I want, but that's life...And just like every other adversity I face, I'll roll with the punches and weather the storm...And there's no doubt in my mind that when the dust clears, this site is going to be kicking azz better than before...I look forward to the future...
 

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Fred said:
D0H.. you changed your post :) hahahaha..

Anyways I am happy to see the FZ owners on this website and everyone else.. Its why a continue to bring new things for our members
Sorry bout that Fred. I miss read your post before I noticed what it really said. Then I changed my post. No offense and props on the site.
 

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TheWraith said:
I apologize for the length of this reply, I think my message and intent has been largely misunderstood and I want to cover several points. If you don't care, by all means just keep on scrolling, if I didn't address your comments adequately, I'd be happy to do so if you'd like to PM or email me.



I've frequently seen your short fuse towards others when they offer comment in this regard. You continue to miss the point, continually, with more continuation, without interruption, continually. If it wasn't relevant, if it wasn't a contention of caring, anyone...everyone, would go someplace else at their whim. Some most certainly have as I've seen discussed on other message boards; having once been regular visitors here, tired of the unstable nature, and went were the winds were more calm, so to speak. I share your opinion that if someone doesn't feel their getting their values worth, their free value, then by all means they should take their little red wagon and pound dirt. I offer comment because I do care. If I didn't, I'd just go someplace else, as anyone else would.

You can continue to provide a website "for the people that care", wipe the disk and do a fresh install of systems and applications daily, move from one server to the next, one provider to the next and it isn't the mere point of presence that it is of actual value to the visitor. It is not the continually, dynamically unstable environment, but at least they can view the availability of the SBN logo, portal website with at least 1/2 the links broken or otherwise invalid, and the existence of a fresh message board that people will ultimately care about - it's the reliability within the domain and the scope of free services it provides.

There is a vBulletin forum, or some other message medium, around every corner of the Internet. The fact one exists here "for those who care", even though that same message platform has been unreliable for the past months, is what people actually care about. Yes, yes...we've all lived in the world of "I do this for free, as a free service, if you don't like it leave, you don't pay the bills...", we all know what that's like and we all understand your less than unique position. I'm not trying to detract from any applicable appreciation. We're all quite aware of the thankless nature of a community portal. I'm not trying to appear unthankful, I'm trying to communicate the relative unstable nature of this little corner of the Internet is becoming more commonplace, expected, and anticipated than the actual presence of the free service(s) you're hoping to provide to the community base.

I'm not trying to jump on your back, bop you on the head and shout "I want my lollipop!!!". I'm just trying to say you've devoted a lot of effort at tweaking, hacking, and otherwise embedding all sorts of bells and whistles into this community portal of yours and I think a little less time should be spent adding pretty flashing lights and beeping noises that entice the monkeys and a little more time spent focusing on reliability and quality. The kingdom of sportbike websites surely doesn't center around whose forum has more add-in features. It's the forum its userbase can rely on.

I'm just here to communicate to like-minded individuals, frankly. I don't care for any arcade, petz, etc. etc. Those are all meaningless fluff to me. But, that's just my opinion. Just as it's only my opinion that more effort needs to be extended towards making the core functionality of a message board more stable. But, those are just my opinions - simply because I care in sharing them. The people who don't care are gone, are in the process of going, or otherwise move on without offering a peep. If you're not interested in the opinions of those who are here and do care, that simply speaks volumes about you as an individual.



I think you're missing the b***** picture. Yes, it's fine now, without errors, and everything is working like it should but how long will that last? Obviously, the last install started out the same way and we arrived at a largely unavailable service after some point in time. How do you protect that from happening again in a month? Six months? A year? What steps do you take to avoid ending up at the same brick wall? Installing a forum fresh every so often is not by any means suggested as a viable example of forum, database, server, etc. management. Format/install, is not a solution embraced by those with technical backgrounds. "Ghosting" a machine to fix its problems is largely admission of defeat, where I come from.

But, things got bad and extreme measures needed taken. I understand that and I would have done the same thing. Sometimes things are so hosed it's best to start over, but this place has suffered some bumps in the administration road recently and I'm just concerned we'll be back where we started months down the road, having learned nothing, and I want a snazzy/fast message board at this domain for communicating with my fellow sportbikers as much as the next guy. That's what's important to me. We all want the lollipop. No, I'm not a contributor to this website, I haven't donated via Paypal for its support even though I have considered several times, simply because I don't trust in the way that money is allocated for the management and maintenance. Don't translate that to "I don't trust Fred with my money", by any means. That's not what I'm saying. Translate that to, "The current funds obviously don't impact the service levels, I doubt mine would either", if you have to translate it to anything.



As would I. As would anyone. But, history will repeat itself if proper lessons aren't learned, if steps aren't taken. I'd like it to be up all the time and never band-aided. That's the perfect world we'd all like to live in, including Fred.



I'm not sure what has spurred your apparent hostile sarcasm nor the comment regarding the equally sarcastic "good luck", but the establishment of a domain, a CMS portal, and a messageboard are hardly rocket science level objectives. I mean no disrespect towards Fred or his efforts in executing such, but I can assure you my knowledge and experience, including prior work experience with companies geared towards just such endeavors, more than adequately qualifies me to make such blanketed statements. However, then again, you can find a portal/message board server found with nearly every fourteen year old's online-gaming clan site. These types of community portals are not a commodity on the Internet. Even if you have no Internet background, work fulltime as a heroin addicted high school janitor (no offense to the custodial service industry) just got your first ISP last year, and still think this World Wide Web stuff is still pretty darn nifty and inherently complex...logically, if you can see every teenager in the world builds portal/messageboard sites, I think it's safe to assume by even the layperson that it isn't an exercise in complexity.

I'm not trying to and certainly don't want to say "Everyone can do it", while pointing out Fred has had some very visible "oops" the in the recent past, with the intent of trying to highlight that I think he's a boob or something. Because, that's not the case. I think he's suffered some problems, not all which were his doing or under his control, and moved to resolve those issues to his best but if you compare the most popular sportbike community sites and compare them against issues surfaced in the last year, I'm afraid that this one would have to be represented as less than ideal.

I'm not saying BAD, but I'm saying could stand more room for improvement. And, again, it's not the bells and whistles, it isn't the fun add-on features - it's the mere reliability that today, tomorrow, next week...this wonderful portal exists, fast and friendly, bringing sportbike enthusiasts together as it always had.

I'm grateful of Fred's efforts, hard earned money spent, and most of all the time and devotion towards a group of lollipop suckers, such as ourselves. It takes a lot of patience, which of course he is sometimes short of, as we all are. But, the mere presence of my comments wishing things were better are because I care, because I appreciate Fred.

Don't misconstrue otherwise, please.
Wow.. that has been the nicest thing you have ever wrote :) Thanks :) Now your post made a lot more sence :D
 

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Fred said:
Wow.. that has been the nicest thing you have ever wrote :) Thanks :) Now your post made a lot more sence :D
Oh FUCK that....I'm mad as hell that I lost my custom stars, join date and status(ie; post count)......laughing smilie here.......and twofinger smilie(SBN trademark) here.


BTW, the damn arcade don't work.....and the only cool game(Ron North's Jewels-sorry my wife got addicted) isn't on the list yet......get it fixed so I can have some piece(yes, that kind!)......twofinger smilie again.
 

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Wraith,

Now that I have a little more time to reply I should give a quick reply to what you have said.

Honestly You and I have never had problems. In fact you have brought a lot of good ideas to the site. Via PM and also posting here. And I do appreciate it. That is why I was surprised to see your original post. But after reading what you have ment it makes a lot more sence now.

Anyways I agree it isnt hard to setup a basic forum website.. shit anyone can do it. However it does take time to customize and install things and this is the tricky part.

The old database is from UBB back in the day.. I mean way back. then converted to vbulletin.. then it was hacked and user numbers where in correct however vbulletin fixed it to use it. (Didnt know this would bite me in the ass down the road today).

Basically you are right about some of the stuff I installed. Petz had nothing to do with sportbikes and its a addon that really wasnt needed. However it was something fun to add on. I should have left it as a addon and not put it into the mainstream website. This is something I will continue to keep in my mind in the future.

The database gets backed up twice daily now. If there is a edition made it runs for 3 days before moving onto a next addition. Each addition is now logged in my sub forum so that way I can watch if it causes database issues or performance issues.

I have learned from the mistakes. To this day I cant tell you what happened to that last database. However I did come up with one thing that I kept saying to myself. I wish I could go back a month and run that backup. My fault for only keeping 1 full week of backups.. shame on me.

Now I accually archive the website on each week. It gets burned to a CD which then I label and archive it.

Some people may say thats crazy or why bother. But after going what I went through I want to be able to have that backup just in case.

Anyways these are just some of the new measures I am taking for the future of SBN. However I wont be afraid to change things and add things to the website. However any additions will be tested and thought through a bit more.

Editions that really will be focused on now is information and how to deliver it. Extras like vbarcade or some petz program or something that has nothing to do with sportbikes is last on the list.

You have made some very good points and I do appreciate it. Keeps me in check on what my true goals are :)
 

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taziscool said:
BTW, the damn arcade don't work.....and the only cool game(Ron North's Jewels-sorry my wife got addicted) isn't on the list yet......get it fixed so I can have some piece(yes, that kind!)......twofinger smilie again.
Arcade works now you big baby :)
 
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