[KrayZFrameRate]

Ok, I sit here and I read all these threads started by Noobs and their uber-powerful sportbikes and the dumb shit they do on them. Then I read the replies lined up after that, most of them flametastic. So what speed is safe? What dictates how fast you can go safely? Is it where your at? What time of day it is? How densely populated the area is? How desolate? How etc? Everytime someone says they were speeding, someone makes the remark that speeding is dangerous? I agree that it can be, dont get me wrong.

But the speed limit is 5mph, going n e thing over 5 is obviously speeding and it unsafe? correct? Has to be, speeding is dangerous.

Perhaps its twenty and your doing thirty, you are obviously endangering everyones lives.

Or maybe, just maybe, the speed limit is 70 but ur doin 90+ and you are inherently endangering yourself and everything around you no?

You ever stop and think about that speed limit sign? What it means? Who put it there? Why it was there?

70 is safe, it has to be that what the speed limit sign says? n e thing over what is posted is unsafe.

We could all feel perfectly safe going 120 mph on a desolate road as long as it was posted. We are completely fooled into obeying the laws, AND breaking them. We all row through the gears tucked down, we have all sped and will all speed. N e one who says they havent and never will apparently S#1T out there mouth and eat with their @55.

So next time you see someone speeding, think about the limit, and next time you speed do the same. What does it mean and what dictates that the speed you are told to travel is any safer than the guy going slower than you.

Not saying to speed or not to speed. Obviously slower is safer, after all the autobahn is only the safest, fastest, drive on earth. Im gonna get flamed for this, so go ahead and do it, most who read it arent going to understand it n e ways.

 

[LiViN's Easy]

^no.. I get what your saying... On the last part though I think America should institute a much tougher license standards so we can become more lane disciplined and better drivers. If there was any road similiar to the autobahn here in america it would never flow like the autobahn because it would be so backed up from dumbass accidents caused but dumbass drivers caused by (just their natural stupidity and..) lack of proper driving education.

 

[KrayZFrameRate]

Yea dont get me started on licensing livin's....Oh hell you already did. Our bike test here and 10 questions and ride ur motorcycle in a straight line and back! WTF??!?!!? No one can drive around here with exception to a few. My friend literally just called me and told me there was a corvette hanging off a bridge on a highway, I woulda been surprised if it wasnt a regular occurence.

 

[ApriliaSL]

^no.. I get what your saying... On the last part though I think America should institute a much tougher license standards so we can become more lane disciplined and better drivers. If there was any road similiar to the autobahn here in america it would never flow like the autobahn because it would be so backed up from dumbass accidents caused but dumbass drivers caused by (just their natural stupidity and..) lack of proper driving education.

If there ever were a country that could use autobahn type motorways it is the US due to it's size. You are right on the money on the lane discipline thing, I grew up driving outside of the US and I always forget and thus get irrate when I encounter all the spped limit drivers in the fast lane. I flash my lights and wait for them to move over and almost always end up having to blast past the on what should be the slow lane but is now the fast lane.
As to the original question, what speed is safe? That is a personal judgement call. Get it wrong and you will pay the consequences. It's not a complicated thing. Make a bad call or be stupid and you could end up dead. Such is life.

 

[stealthy1]

I am in a more rural part of the country than most of the users here are. Personally, I crank it up sometimes. Yes, it is dangerous. Mostly to myself. Just me, but I don't go ripping through town at high speeds any more. It doesn't make any sense.

I can hit a back road and go as fast as I want basically. The only problems are the wildlife which play a factor in slowing me down or if there are other vehicles on the road, I usually maintain a speed that won't land me in jail.
As for popo, well.... There is a chance to get caught. The rest is up to my personal restraint. Some things restraining me are: my wife&kids , that stupid 120lb doe or 4 lb pheasant, other people and their kids, common sense, and the law (occasionally).

I have been riding for many years, and you are right, I feel fine at 120 or more on a desolate road. That does not make it safe though. Let's say I'm going 120 and I crest a hill with a tractor pulling out a quarter mile down the other side. The tractor has two beds of hay behind it. Each bed is probably at least 10 feet long. Is a quarter mile a safe enough distance to stop from 120 mph if that tractor dumps his clutch and kills it in my path? What if he or I misjudges (or both) which is easy to do at such speeds?
I don't know exactly what your point is, and I am not attempting to flame you. The "typical" young rider on a powerful bike probably doesn't think things through like a dinosaur such as myself would when wrapping a throttle. I know I didn't when I was younger, and I am very lucky to have only had my license revoked for a while rather than injuring /killing myself or someone else.
I'll cut it short and get to my bottom line for you. Posted speed limits are the law. Is it perfect, hell no. Does everyone on a motorcycle speed at some point? Hell yes. Are they all ignorant psychotics?Maybe.

edit: I almost forgot my bag of corn for this thread... opcorn

 

[KrayZFrameRate]

I guess what im trying to get at isnt so much at variable, cuz if you dont know how to keep yourself out of trouble get off your bike and out of your car. I guess I just get heated over people stressing that speeding is sooo evil, and its such a sin and that it is so wrong, and at times it may be. Eh, maybe its because im tired and irate at all of our traffic around here, dont mind me, just typing it out of my system instead of beating it out of another motorist.

 

[stealthy1]

I guess what im trying to get at isnt so much at variable, cuz if you dont know how to keep yourself out of trouble get off your bike and out of your car. I guess I just get heated over people stressing that speeding is sooo evil, and its such a sin and that it is so wrong, and at times it may be. Eh, maybe its because im tired and irate at all of our traffic around here, dont mind me, just typing it out of my system instead of beating it out of another motorist.

Roadrage is the Lord's way of teaching stupid people to use their blinkers.
If speeding is a sin, I'll be seeing all of you in Hell :devil .

 

[bob12312357]

Yea dont get me started on licensing livin's....Oh hell you already did. Our bike test here and 10 questions and ride ur motorcycle in a straight line and back! WTF??!?!!? No one can drive around here with exception to a few. My friend literally just called me and told me there was a corvette hanging off a bridge on a highway, I woulda been surprised if it wasnt a regular occurence.

The autobahn is one of the safest rodes in the world especially considering it actually has just as many cars on it per mile as does any US road. Don't know about you but have you ever been to Europe? In Italy in a week saw a couple of SUVs. A lot more comptetent drivers overall in Italy then US.(We blow not as bad as Taiwan but we damn well suck) In Geramany getting a drivers liscence is like gettin a pilots liscence here. It costs several thosands of dollars,takes months,has diffrent ratings and levels and passing the road test is more then a trip around the block. Now which seems more dangerous to you zooming over ground at 4,000 feet and 120kts or driving 30 mph down a street. One results in deaths measured in the hundreds one results in deaths measured by the tens of thosands.
The majority of it from incompetence,alcohol and our aggressive driving habits with lax enforcement and pitifuly inadequate fines. Talk to someone who lived in Germany and see how serious an offence tail gating is and how strictly(as well it should be) it is enforced. In certain European countries the fine is actually based upon how much u make a year. NOthin like finacially crippling a moron to make him not tailgte at a buck forty. If we improve society and get it beyond the ME ME ME thinking then yes an autobahn could work in America(which will never happen),but honestly you want that soccer mom in her SUV to run you off the road at 60 or 110?
ON the subject of how fast is too fast. There is no set speed for being too fast. If i wanted to go slower i woulda gotten POS American car like a Mustang.On side streets and streets with cross streets yea stick to the speed limit or for residential with kids and crap slightly under it. However, as long as your on a road which is limited/controled access such as an interstate you can see the whole way down and there is not a car in sight with no entrance or exit ramps then i don't think there is a dangerously fast speed. It is up 2 rider. I got no problem with if i decide on goin 150 or faster with the new bike i might be gettin and die. The problem with speed that fast is if you kill someone who didn't want to part take in your high speed run. At speeds like that it is really easy for other drivers to misjudge your true speed,especially on a bike which appears to be traveling slower due anyway. There is a time and a place for everything. If you feel that you can handle the speed and are ready to bet your life on that assumption ok if you can't handle it and die then cool. Just make sure there is absolutely zero chance of takin anyone with you. :bitchslap

 

[umairhashmi]

As most of you have seen my "Why didnt the cop chase me" thread and saw how badly i was flamed.But would i have been flamed in the same way if said i was lane splitting in rush hour traffic every evening to get home soon? Realistically you ALWAYS take some risks when you get on that bike and thumb that starter.You might have the skills of Valentino Rossi but when an SUV rear ends up at a red light you dont stand much of a chance.What matters deep down for me is that i have no wife,No kids and no one who depends on my income.If i die tommorow sure my mom n dad would be a bit sad but thats how life is.Humans die eventually regardless of what they do.You only have one life.Enjoy it.

 

[mastersixx]

Anything over 20mph isn't safe. No matter how slow or fast you go you are always in danger. YOU only need to fuck up once, or be on the recieving end of someone else's fuck up.

 

[stealthy1]

.You might have the skills of Valentino Rossi but when an SUV rear ends up at a red light you dont stand much of a chance.

Not all rear enders can be avoided, but many can be with the proper amount of forward thinking (rear spotting), positioning, and awareness. You don't just go sit at a light and all the sudden get whapped from behind unless you aren't prepared. I'd explain it more fully, but you probably wouldn't take it in anyhow.

 

[mastersixx]

Your right bro. I have a tail light modulator that blinks 4 times. IF there is no possible way to be infront of a car that isn't moving. Once you spot the car coming up behind you just blink your taillights a few times. IF you don't see them slowing down be prepared to move. You can even put yourself at a slight angle when you stop if there are no other cars around you. I always use other cars for protection. When crossing an intersection or anything that I can think of! It's a fucking battlefield out there!

 

[stealthy1]

^word

 

[okgsxr]

i think you need to be 18 and have to pay some cash and take driving classes for a few months to get your DL. i am 17 and get in arguements with my friends all the time about the subject. when your young, you are also stupid. crap, you wait 16 years to be able to drive why not 2 more...its not gonna kill you

 

[segue00]

They post speed limits. That should be an indication. Go beyond that, you risk being unsafe in getting a ticket, and if you get into an accident, (heaven forbid), you can be found at fault for causing the accident by speeding.

 

[Gunnys_600RR]

Would be really nice to pick the laws we have to follow as citizens without repercussion. [/sarcasm]

 

[tdogg954]

Speed limits have many factors that involve type of terrain, politics, technology of the vehicles, etc... Back in the eighties freeway speeds were tops 55mph. Today's vehicles are more stable, more powerful, safer, have better brakes, and have traction control to aid the driver. Hence the government has deemed that 75mph is a "safe" interstate speed.

Not to say I speed excessively but when its me and my bike against only the road and nature I have fun. If that involves a little law breaking so be it. I am willing to accept the risks. When I see the yellow precautionary speed limit signs indicating a 20mph speed or whatever (like in the twisties) I chuckle. If I had to obey those speeds it wouldn't be any fun to ride.

There's never going to be a situation where speeding is "safe". You just have to assess the situation and ride accordingly. Oh and accept responsibility for your actions.

 

[Hagios]

Wow, the point has really been missed here.

Speed is not safety. Attitude, and actions are safety. You can (arguably) "safely" book 200mph (salt flats). You can also do 10mph and be reckless, and that would be unsafe. The reason speed is seen as the issue more often than not, is because speed is how maturity (or lack thereof) tends to manifest in many cases.

 

[foestauf]

Watched a kid eat it at only around 25-30mph.
Lifeflight took him away, you woulda thought he would have been doing 70 by the way the debris and his clothing articles were scattered accross the road.
So go figure, 30mph did him in that badly.

 

[ubernoob]

i don't think there is any 'safe' speed that can be applied everywhere.

there are two roads nearly identical to each other in almost evey way (same amount of driveways, same road conditions.... identical) by me, one has a speed limit of 35 and the other has a speed limit of 45. the road w/the speed limit of 45 used to be primarily a FM road (farm-to-market) but because of development in the past 10 years it was resurfaced and grew up to be as big as the other street, the city just never changed the limit. if speed limits are the primary indicators of safe speed then why would both roads not be 35?

everything is relative, 'safe' speed depends only on riding conditions and riders ability.