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I don't think you will hurt anything by leaving the oil in over the winter.

When you go back with the plug just give it a little snug down. It won't go anywhere. I always check mine for the first couple of days after I do the oil change. I have never had one back out yet. I also have a smaller pan that easily fits under the bike to catch the oil and then I empty that in to my recycle container.

I can change my oil in 5 minuets with no problem at all. The filter does not need to be that tight either. I always put my car and bike filters on hand tight. The rubber gasket crushes and makes it tight. Even after I have tightened it by hand when I take it off it still requires an oil filter wrench. I have never had a filter leak either.

No gorilla torque!!! It really is not required. Amazing what 20 to 60 in. lbs. will do. As an example I install boroscope inspection plugs on jet engines at 57-63 in. lbs. and they never come out. A baby could apply that type of torque. And if it can stay in on a jet engine it will surely stay on a bike.
 

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I think you have to read my post again. What I said was that I went to my mom's for a place to change the oil. I had to bring my tools with me. Tools I own. I'd take all of my tools with me to cover every situation, but they don't fit in the trunk... and strapping a breaker bar to my back for the ride is a bit too mad max for my taste. Asswipe.

Maybe I ought to just do what you would do and drain the oil straight into the sewer like a real man, problem solved.

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BJ's #1 problem is that he has to run to MOM to get his oil changed....

Grow up, go to Sears and buy a set of tools you phucking puss.


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Binary Jay said:
and strapping a breaker bar to my back for the ride is a bit too mad max for my taste. .

Oh, come on! That's better than grocery shopping in full gear, or getting drivethrough food 2up.

I can garauntee bungee-cording your toolbox to the tank and strapping that bar across your back will have all the toothsome strumpets in lower Saskatchewan lusting after you!:cheers



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... but found I couldn't get the drain plug off with all of my might...
2004 Service Manual says for engine oil drain bolt right tightness is 43 Nm (or 31 ft.lb).

Isn't that too high? I've seen much lower numbers in other motorcycles. And it's aluminium?
 

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don't steel and aluminum + time = stuck together? galvanic corrosion or something like that. the steel accelerates the corrosion of the aluminum, and with the 20 ft-lbs and close contact of the parts, they get stuck.
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some of the oil seeps into the threads and thankfully slows that process down, but it can happen over time.
After my experience this summer (losing drain plug) one of my winter mods is going to be setting up my plug for lockwire, that way I can feel safe going with a minimum torque to prevent Jay's problem, but also assured I'm not going to be slicking down the roadway again.
 

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2004 Service Manual says for engine oil drain bolt right tightness is 43 Nm (or 31 ft.lb).

Isn't that too high? I've seen much lower numbers in other motorcycles. And it's aluminium?
I don't torque mine that high. Thats 372in. lbs. of torque. Way more than should be required. You could do a 3rd of that and be OK. Not sure if the pan is aluminum, but you don't want to get too animal on torquing it because the threads will be stretched or worse stripped.

You have to remember that manuals are written by human beings and that does not always make them right. Some guy had a bad night and was tired and probably just plugged in a number he thought sounded good. I have not had to download my service manual yet, but if I would have seen a number like that I would of questioned it.

Taking in to account thread diameter and treads per inch it may be the right torque if you were using it to fasten something together and it was metal going into metal, but is not the case in this instance.

I deal with torques at work on a regular basis and sometimes you have to use your judgement in certain instances.
 

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Don't forget my "Right-Hand-Rule", that is fool proof. Unlike lefty-loosy, which is dependent upon which way you are facing the bolt.

"Right-Hand-Rule"" - Take your right hand, and make a fist. Point your thumb in the direction you want the bolt to go. Your fingers should now be pointing in the direction you need to rotate the bolt.

I guess it isn't "fool proof", since you need to know which hand is your right hand. :bitchslap
Hah!!! Is the wrench handle over or below the bolt head? If it's below and you turn it left you tighten. If you're above, turn it left it loosens. You're screwed if the handle is horizontal.:eek:nfloor
 

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Isn't "Counter-clockwise" always a safe bet?

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Hah!!! Is the wrench handle over or below the bolt head? If it's below and you turn it left you tighten. If you're above, turn it left it loosens. You're screwed if the handle is horizontal.:eek:nfloor
 

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now thats a mechanic:dblthumb ...working from inside the box LOL:headbang
 

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Oil changed. How's this for a breaker bar? Bolt came right out like it was waiting for a vacation.

I ended up using a piece of steel tube that came with my subwoofers which is meant to be used as a stand to mount my full-ranges on top of them. I was going to be lazy and leave the oil in there but it was bugging me... Oil has been in the bike since March or so, it looked quite used up.
 

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Now, how easy was that?:eek:nfloor

[edit] I was kinda expecting you reporting back with, "I used a breaker bar and stripped the head off the plug, so I had to use a channel lock and a hammer to get the plug off.":lao
 

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Now, how easy was that?:eek:nfloor

[edit] I was kinda expecting you reporting back with, "I used a breaker bar and stripped the head off the plug, so I had to use a channel lock and a hammer to get the plug off.":lao
I only seem to break heads off bolts on my car. I swear some of them must have been made out of sugar.
 

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I expected this to turn into a HeliCoil thread.
 

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We were JUST JOKING about the synthetic oil thing.
omg.... ITS NOT A JOKE!!!!! Synthetic oil is not meant for motorcycles and will cause them to explode! Its a conspiracy between the big bike manufacturers and the big oil companies. Oil companies make synthetic oil, bike companies tell you not to put synthetic in the bikes but being a dumbass you do it anyway. Bike explodes and you have to get a new one. YOU LOSE!
Meanwhile they're raking in all the cash.
 

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Well there is dinosaur oil in my bike for the winter. No doubt having non synthetic sit in it for a few months of the year helps stave off the harm I'm doing to it by putting the synthetic garbage into it for the rest of the year.
 
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