hybrid said:
yet another misconception, a loss of power just about everywhere is what would happen. I cant believe you guys think that Moto GP runs straight pipes. It is an open pipe after the collector. Run your bike without the muffler and almost nothing changes. run it without the collector and you'll see the problem. Moto GP is not a drag race, you need torque in the middle to pull from the corner. Thats why honda never raced an inline four in superbike. A "V" style motor offers more torque without the tr***** of the inline four.
Look I'm not flaming anyone but I did this for a living with the factories, Im telling you guys, dont get caught up in your fantasy gimmick. Making power is nothing more than math. No doodad is gonna help you no matter what you think. Do you think the new Gsxr1000 has a set of straight pipes into the Moto GP style muffler? No but people like you will think it is the newest badass thing since a digital tach. They have had the technology to make the power they do since the 70's, the limiting factor was chassis and tires. Nowadays the power increases you see are from thousands of dollars spent massaging parts that they found were not cooperating with the rest of the system. Not some magical doodad or trick pipe. Read some books guys, the magazines here are shit and biased. Who in their right mind would bash one of your biggest advertisers?
someone had already straightened out the issue of wescoas1 mis-stating what he meant, which was basicly open exhaust after the collector.
I replied with the assumed understanding that that was what we were talking about.
now, about your statement:
Run your bike without the muffler and almost nothing changes.
Bull frigging Shit. modern exhaust systems are created with concerns for EPA regulations and create way too much backpressure. Aftermarket pipes with a proper retune will often net you a nice improvement in power(which i know for my own experience). If the cam timing had been optimized for the stock exhaust system that would seem impossible, but it seems clear to me that they (most manufacturers) expect us to open up the flow path.
Making power is nothing more than math. No doodad is gonna help you no matter what you think.
True and False. You presume to know every influencial parameter in the huge equation that is my bike? Guess again bucko. With some exhaust mods and a redsigned tune (of my own design) I was able to pick up at least 15% more horsepower and torque @5500 RPM and a few HP at the top end on my bike. See my profile for the chart.
people like you will think it is the newest badass thing since a digital tach
People like who? ME? I don't care who you work for or did work for, coming along and waving around your resume as if that means you know it all is a bit arrogant, don't ya think? I am an ASE certified Master Auto Technician, and I've been working on engines of all kinds all my life. Does that mean I am always neccesarily right?
No fucking way, but my experience proves you wrong, at least in my case.
And yes, they may have had the technology to create huge horsepower for many years but no factory anywhere is going to impliment it all in one big shot. if they did, there would be no reason to buy next years model, until some new power creating breakthrough comes along (don't hold your breath).
That being the case, there is always room for us to extract a little more.
