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Richard D. Lamm

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last June there was an immigration over-population conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United State s. He said, If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school"

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A. diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly yet pervasively across the United State s today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in. America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book 1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast if we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream .
 

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is that for real? talk about a good way to not get elected again.
 

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Makes sense to me. Yeah it's scary, but I can't do anything about it. The people in that room, however, can. I pray for the future of this nation, that our leaders make the correct decisions.
 

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What kind of paranoid bullshit is this?



How to destroy America?

Allow the greed, selfishness, hatred, and disregard for our fellow human beings that has pervaded this country to persist.
 

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I whole-heartedly agree with what he is trying to say.

As Americans now more than ever we must bring to the forefront what we all
hold dear as a common strand to strengthen this country.

We cannot last much longer in the historical viewpoint if we cannot agree again what make us Americans.

I never thought I would hear the word diversity used in such a disparaging context and actually agree with the author. For so long we have been trying to establish our own identity in this country that we have at times divided our home over small and petty differences that in the long run don’t match up in importance to what makes us so alike.

As I am sure there will be many arguments that will say that because of former social atrocities in America in the past that this is the reason that many Americans now will celebrate what makes them different. No one should be allowed to take that away from these individuals but that celebration should not be able to cause a rift in the fabric of America (sorry, bad metaphor).

I am an American of African descent.
 

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Big Bad Boom has a good point. Im kinda liking your posts.
 

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Not so hard to solve. Spending the money to actually create a solid border defense instead of playing the games would be quite easy.

I fear it falls under the "war on drugs" which happens to be big business for our government. We spend billions on it and yet see nothing in return for it. Its a facade in my eyes.
 

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Fargin_Bastige said:
While I think our illegal problem is out of control and something needs to be done, this is xenophobic McMcarthy-esque crap.

hybrid said:
Not so hard to solve. Spending the money to actually create a solid border defense instead of playing the games would be quite easy.
I'm glad there's somthing I can finally agree with both of you on.
 

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poulsen said:
Some of it is paranoid and maybe a bit over the top but I think many of the points have some validity to them.
+1 I'm all for one being aware of one's culture. Not to the point of causing ethnic disparity vs. diversity. Even among my own (American of African/Puerto Rican descent) ethnicity I see this disparity and it's appalling. Unless we call ourselves American first and foremost I feel ethnic disparity will be the downfall of the country.
 

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I think there needs to be border security, but this stuff is a little over the top.

Read it again slowly, one word at a time. The points are presented clearly and supported by historical facts. Wake up!
 

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bumblebee said:
Read it again slowly, one word at a time. The points are presented clearly and supported by historical facts. Wake up!
I am awake, just because I'm don't share all of your opinions, doesn't mean I'm not aware.

Wake the fuck up. People are different.
 

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This speech must be taken in the context of history. These predictions might not happen tomorrow or for that matter the next 5-10 years.

But left unchecked in the next 50, 75, 100 years America might not be the place we remeber as we leave it to our children
 

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bumblebee said:
"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." .
This is crap. China is over 2000 years old and has HUNDREDS of languages and dialects and culture to go with each. Mandarin, Cantonese, Swatouese, Hunanese, Fujianese, Hakka dialects, and many others. China, interestingly enough, has been a surprisingly peaceful country relative to to western "integrated societies" that Lamm seems to think sets the standard for societal health. China had its internal wars and squabbles, but often hundreds of years would pass before a new dynasty would take over from the next, meaning there was hundreds of years of stability, with people of many different cultures and languages living together peacefully for many years, intermarrying, trading with each other, living together.

Now it is true people can be pitted against each other with divide and conquer techniques, using their cultural differences as a wedge in attempts to get them to fight each other. We see that being done now in Iraq between the Sunnis and the Shiites. We saw that done in Yugoslavia between the Serbs and the Albanians, people who lived peacefully together and intermarried and shared their lives together for almost 50 years until they were ripped apart in the 1990's. Did they all of the sudden decide they didn't like each other? No. Something else caused it to happen. The division itself is not caused by differences in language and culture, but by people trying attain or hold onto power by pitting people against each other. This is a sad old sick story that has played itself over and over again, in all countries, and nearly all for the same reason.

The reason latin immigrants are flowing into this country as through an open spigot is for one reason and one reason alone: they are being allowed in because more people competing against each other for scarce jobs bids down wages of ALL workers, which increases the profit margins for owners of capital. Dick Lamm, having been a corporate lickspittle and political liar for many years knows this very well. And true to his snake form, he reverts to the type of divide and conquer oratory that Genghis Kahn probably used, and gives a hokey speech based on inaccurate and misleading premises of history and about why we should continue to hate and fear each other. The fact is, that people of different cultures and languages can get along just fine, and most of the time do get along fine when left to their own accords; and they can do it without giving up their language and culture.
 

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bugeyed said:
This is crap. China is over 2000 years old and has HUNDREDS of languages and dialects and culture to go with each. Mandarin, Cantonese, Swatouese, Hunanese, Fujianese, Hakka dialects, and many others.
Do you really want to compare us to a country where a college graduate makes $1 per day. And the general populus makes about 55cents a day? Where anti biotics are reserved for a select few and protein comes from soy beans rather than meat (and not by choice)? Where (in a communist society) the people are divided by such a thick economical line that its impossible to compare them against each other? Where getting one of your daughters to work in a factory for that $1 per day means you can actually send one of your sons to school? Where the population number is skewed by (nearly) a half a million people because you are only truly allowed to have (report) one child?

If that is what you choose to compare the US to feel free. But I would rather not.
 

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Illegal immigration is problem. How do you fix it? More border control and change some rules for citizenship. It's obvious thats there is a vast amount of abuse going on to current rules. It could always be changed that when a child is born, one of their parents has to be a U.S. citizen already for the child to become a citizen. That would prevent pregnant mothers from rushing across the border, bearing a child and staying for free on the American tax dollar. I dunno, I have no background in politics, like most here, so I merely present my opinion.
 
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