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Today I was riding my honda 600f2 on the freeway in 6th gear at 55mph

I then downshift about 3 gears and went from 6,000 rpm to about 9500 - 10,000 rpm and kept accelerating

Are our engines designed for this?

It seemed fine...just the sudden rush of power was unexpected.
 

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As long as you're not dumping the clutch or bouncing off the rev limiter too much, it should be OK. You should spend some more time above 6000 rpm on that thing. :)
 

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I wouldn't call that hammering the bike, that's what it's supposed to do. As long as it's at operating temperature, and you're shifting properly, the bike rev right to the red line all day long and be happy. It can actually be good for the engine to run it hard, it heats up the spark plugs (beyond what you'd get with normal cruising) and cleans them off, and helps remove any carbon in the cylinders. Don't be afraid to give it a fist full of throttle whenever you want, just remember that it's addictive!
 

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MT Wallet said:
That's good to know... what is the proper way to shift?

I try to feather the clutch to let the power out... but when I shift quickly and hammer it then I just shift as fast as possible
Just don't hit the revolution limiter. +1.

Roll off throttle, clutch in, shift, clutch out, roll on.

It's almost one seemless action sometimes!
 

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mikem317 said:
Just don't hit the revolution limiter. +1.

Roll off throttle, clutch in, shift, clutch out, roll on.

It's almost one seemless action sometimes!
I did keep it from hitting the limiter... maybe made it past 10,000 but it revs to 12- 12,500 max I think

Good info :D thanks



Reason I did this was a car was trying to catch up to me to do a "fly-by"

I waited till he was almost even with me then went WOT :banana
 

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RayOSV said:
As long as you're not dumping the clutch or bouncing off the rev limiter too much, it should be OK. You should spend some more time above 6000 rpm on that thing. :)

Shit even that wont hurt it. Hell I hold mine WFO lean forward at 60 - 70 pop the clutch and light up the rear for laffs wanna talk about a RUSH my bike weight under 400Lbs and has a 1307cc drag bike motor in a 750 frame... when it hooks up it pulls like the dam space shuttle. I been beating the shit outta my bike for 5 years and it still scares the living shit outta me everytime I let it rip (which is everytime Im on it :lol )

If its a Yamaha be careful they are notorious for having weak clutches....
 

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Krazy Hawaiian said:
Shit even that wont hurt it. Hell I hold mine WFO lean forward at 60 - 70 pop the clutch and light up the rear for laffs wanna talk about a RUSH my bike weight under 400Lbs and has a 1307cc drag bike motor in a 750 frame... when it hooks up it pulls like the dam space shuttle. I been beating the shit outta my bike for 5 years and it still scares the living shit outta me everytime I let it rip (which is everytime Im on it :lol )

If its a Yamaha be careful they are notorious for having weak clutches....
now that sounds like fun
 

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jeepcoma said:
I wouldn't call that hammering the bike, that's what it's supposed to do. As long as it's at operating temperature, and you're shifting properly, the bike rev right to the red line all day long and be happy. It can actually be good for the engine to run it hard, it heats up the spark plugs (beyond what you'd get with normal cruising) and cleans them off, and helps remove any carbon in the cylinders. Don't be afraid to give it a fist full of throttle whenever you want, just remember that it's addictive!
Glad to see someone who has a good understanding of motors:)
I try to tell people this, it's not really a problem on your moms Ford Focus, but on higher performance motors, it can be a problem.
For high compression motors (Like ours, and my trucks) it is an issue, carbon build up will happen and will hurt your engines performance.

It will actually cause larger diesels to just not run at all anymore. I had lots of problems with the super HETT's in Iraq because of traffic they would just idle all day, and just destroy the motor.
Dry rev is bad too though:)
 

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foestauf said:
Glad to see someone who has a good understanding of motors:)
I try to tell people this, it's not really a problem on your moms Ford Focus, but on higher performance motors, it can be a problem.
For high compression motors (Like ours, and my trucks) it is an issue, carbon build up will happen and will hurt your engines performance.

It will actually cause larger diesels to just not run at all anymore. I had lots of problems with the super HETT's in Iraq because of traffic they would just idle all day, and just destroy the motor.
Dry rev is bad too though:)
Yeah- the italian sportscars are the worst with carbon deposits in the engine. That's why every once in a while you gotta give your car the 'ol "italian tune up"

(which is just a fancy term for going balls out, but it actually helps out high performance cars a LOT) It just kills me to see people cruise around town in expensive supercars... it's terrible for them. If you hammer on the gas in one, just watch the black smoke pour out... it's crazy.

It's not as much of a problem these days, however. Fuel injection has cured many of these problems. But with the older bikes (you know, like 3 years old- the dinosaurs) that are still carb'ed, it can totally help out.

And about shifting- after first-second, when upshifting you dont really need to feather the clutch at all. Downshifting it can help if you're not dead-on rev matching, though.
 

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Good shifting comes with good practice! It's not really necessary to get a perfect shift, but it will help reduce wear on your clutch (not really a concern anyway, as chances are you'll sell the bike before needing a new one), but it's immensenly satisfying to nail a perfect shift just right.

The two keys to butter-smooth shifting are preloading and rev matching. Preload the shifter by sticking your toe underneath the shifter and applying upward pressure, but not enough to force a shift. Then, in one smooth motion (this is where practice comes in), pull the clutch, roll off the throttle slightly to lower the revs (if you're upshifting; otherwise give it a blip to increase revs to match for a downshift), and change to the next gear. When it all comes together you'll have arrived at motorcycle nirvana, and start ripping through the gears like it's nobody's business.

On another note, when "cleaning" the carbon out of your cylinders, the trick is not necessarily the RPM's you're operating at, but the load on the engine. If you're maintaining speed in 1st gear at 30 mph, it's not doing anything for the engine other than making the pistons move up and down, because this require almost no work from the engine. Running the engine at full load, on the other hand, will build up enough heat to make spark plugs glow and burn off deposits. So don't be afraid to pop 'er in 3rd or 4th and do some WOT blasts down the street.

Looking at spark plugs can tell you so much about what's going on in an engine. While it's more cirtical to know about reading plugs in a carb'ed engine, for the sake of fine tuning, it can still tell you the same information about what's going in in a FI engine. Shame it's become such a lost art among the majority of plug-the-computer-in-see-what-it-tells-me "mechanics".
 

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Yeah it was a first for me with this bike-- I see why the f2 is such an awesome bike...now imagine if I had a modern sportibike and did that- wow :fiddy

Thanks everyone for the tips I do appreciate it :beer
 

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jeepcoma said:
I wouldn't call that hammering the bike, that's what it's supposed to do. As long as it's at operating temperature, and you're shifting properly, the bike rev right to the red line all day long and be happy. It can actually be good for the engine to run it hard, it heats up the spark plugs (beyond what you'd get with normal cruising) and cleans them off, and helps remove any carbon in the cylinders. Don't be afraid to give it a fist full of throttle whenever you want, just remember that it's addictive!
cool... now I have a good exuse to ride my bike harder...:)
 

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MT Wallet said:
the sudden rush of power was unexpected.
You found the powerband for your bike, now stay in it.
 
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