[drummer92]

i just turned 17, and surprise surprise, i want a super sport bike . ive been working a lot since i turned 15 saving up for a bike. yes, ive dreamed of having one since i was 15. also, ill be an eagle scout in a few months and my rents are giving me money for that, plus im a senior this year and my parents are giving me money when i graduate. however my parents are very strict and wont let me get one until im 18 and in college.

ive ridden dirtbikes for years, no tickets, never been in trouble, no accidents, eagle scout, 4.5 gpa, sat/act scores that could get me into harvard, so yes, i think of myself as a snowflake.

even so, many of your points are still valid and i am highly considering NOT getting an ss now. after reading all of your "your dumb, i hate everything you say, dont get an ss bike" ive decided i might get an sv650 or something like that...i dont know. you make VERY good arguments in this forum as to why not to get one

however many of the people posting in these noob forums have a "high and mighty im better than you" attitude that turns me off... i wish you all would just supply information rather than be jackasses just because MOST people wanting super sport bikes are immature and would be better off getting a smaller bike...i understand you ARE "better" than me when it comes to this subject, but you dont have to be an ass because of it

and im sure you will have tons of comebacks to my post like "dirt bikes arnt street bikes!" which i realize is very true but someone who has years of dirt bike experience will be better off than someone with no dirt bike experience...and yes, i want an ss for some of the dumb reasons, but honestly im scared shitless of getting one because i dont want to get hurt, which is why im thinking of a smaller bike...but no matter what i get im gonna go about as fast as a grandma until i develop my skills. i just dont want to "waste" my money on a bike ill want to upgrade from in a year. and i know there are arguments shooting that theory down but there are arguments backing it up as well...

really i just wanted to let you know that you have a great forum but some people should take a step back and chill out and stop assuming all people who want 600ss's as a first bike are mentally retarded... we really just need you all to convince us we are wrong so thanks for the info. comment away

 

[Zenkodrai]

We're not asses just because the fact that we think people who want an Super Sport bike off the bat are retarded.
It's the way they argue their reasons for wanting an Super Sport bike.
Of the classics,one happens to be what you said; Don't want to 'waste money on a bike you're going to replace'
You're not wasting money,Not in my opinion anyway.
You'll learn tons more on a smaller displacement bike then you will a super sport;Hell I started on an sv650,I hopped on my friends ninja 250 about a week ago and discovered a hell of alot more flickability.
In the end. It's your money; Get what you want.
We only argue against it because it makes our community look bad when people that haven't learned the ability of a lower displacement bike hop on a Super Sport and go barreling into something or another.
Also the whole insurance thing ;p

 

[TheNewSquid]

Get a ninja250, those 08-09 looks real good and are quick enough for a newbie. With that you'll save on insurance and have an excellent bike to learn on so whats to loose ?
You'll probably get most of your money back when your going to sell it anyways.

 

[mcwilliamsda]

drummer92 you have some very valid points I'm not gonna flame you because you already seem to understand the risks associated with starting out on a 600ss (if that is what you end up doing) and that is all that is really important. Do you. There are plenty of experienced riders who have started out on a 600ss or even a 1k. and there are still riders withing that group who would still recommend something other than a 600ss as a starter bike. Just don't become a statistic.

 

[teedubyaw]

Experienced riders here become bitter because newcomers don't want to hear that a sport bike is not a good first bike. Advising them not to go out and get one is met with hostility and argumentative reasoning, such as "I'm smart, I'm level headed, I'll respect the bike."


What most new riders don't understand is that when you hop on a super sport as your first bike, you're missing out on a HUGE learning curve. It doesn't matter how respectful you are to race replica bike, the things you learn on a 250 are not going to happen on a 600.

 

[drummer92]

"We're not asses just because the fact that we think people who want an Super Sport bike off the bat are retarded."

i never said thats why you were asses, dont assume thats why i said it. and im not saying all of you are. i just think some people in other threads were being jerks for no reason. example, iwakunidiver saying "1.6 60 ft and in a Civic with a $3k turbo kit and no slicks?" and then going on to say "You win today's prize if you can tell me what kind of car I'm driving in the first pic. If you can guess what my car (gray one on the left) is, you don't know your imports at all." Was that all necessary? he was just being a dick IMO and trying to put someone down for no reason.

and ive considered the whole insurance thing and how it would even out in the end which is another big reason im considering an sv650. which bring up a question, is there a thread with how much people are paying for insurance for certain bikes and their age and such? that would be helpful for sure.

 

[drummer92]

"you're missing out on a HUGE learning curve. It doesn't matter how respectful you are to race replica bike, the things you learn on a 250 are not going to happen on a 600."

do you mean the learning curve will be much steeper? could you explain please

 

[Zenkodrai]

"you're missing out on a HUGE learning curve. It doesn't matter how respectful you are to race replica bike, the things you learn on a 250 are not going to happen on a 600."

do you mean the learning curve will be much steeper? could you explain please

Yes...The learning curve will be much steeper...
Bikes are not the easiest things to control...
26 hp vs 115 hp
One of these would be harder to learn on then the other
Lurk around a bit more...you'll find that a lot of the questions you might have have already been answered in other posts.

 

[drummer92]

sorry i just didnt get what you meant when you said things you learn on a 250 wont happen on a 600... it made it sound like youd learn things you wouldnt need to know or... something

 

[bassjones]

yes, the learning curve is a lot steeper on a 600SS. They handle so sharply that wrong inputs put you in danger quickly. On a 250 a wrong input will scare you a little and you'll (hopefully) learn from your error. On a 600 that same input may well put you in an ambulance. On a 250 or even a 650 twin the difference between not being in the powerband and hitting the powerband isn't all that radical, but on a 600 the HP difference between 4000 RPM and 8000 RPM is downright scary. As in double the HP. That's why noobs sometimes loop their bikes. Downshift one too many gears and you'll be in trouble.

Honestly, I had great grades and participated in extra-curricular activities at your age too, and I did things in my Dodge Omni that if I had done in a Corvette would have gotten me killed. Same thing applies here. You're better off getting a used 250, riding it a year or two then selling (for about the same price you paid for it, btw) and moving up from there.

 

[teedubyaw]

"you're missing out on a HUGE learning curve. It doesn't matter how respectful you are to race replica bike, the things you learn on a 250 are not going to happen on a 600."

do you mean the learning curve will be much steeper? could you explain please

The 600's are, in general not easy machines to ride when it comes down to the technicalities. Add in the mental block that a lot of new riders have when starting on a 600, it makes for a poor and delayed learning experience.

The great thing about a 250 is it is a bike that you will eventually be able to out ride. It's an easy bike to toss around and is mistake-friendly for the most part.

 

[Riz88]

The 600's are, in general not easy machines to ride when it comes down to the technicalities. Add in the mental block that a lot of new riders have when starting on a 600, it makes for a poor and delayed learning experience.

The great thing about a 250 is it is a bike that you will eventually be able to out ride. It's an easy bike to toss around and is mistake-friendly for the most part.

If you get a brand new 600ss you'll also be so afraid of dropping it that it'll mess with your head. Plain and simple, no matter what, IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO START ON A 600. Even if your name is Ben Spies. Even if you are a responsible young adult and are more mature compared to your friends. Even if you don't start a thread a week later asking how to do wheelies. There is just no good reason to start on a 600.

 

[drummer92]

"Honestly, I had great grades and participated in extra-curricular activities at your age too, and I did things in my Dodge Omni that if I had done in a Corvette would have gotten me killed. Same thing applies here."

ive heard ten other people say that nothing applys to motorcycles that applys to cars... but i see your point

"If you get a brand new 600ss you'll also be so afraid of dropping it that it'll mess with your head."

ill be buying used no matter what i buy. and im probably going to be afraid of dropping any bike i get at first ;p

 

[raven105x]

@Drummer92:

This thread seems to already outline most of what I would normally say, but I would suggest you test ride a 250 - and rev it up to 12k in 1st then shift and keep the revs high - as a new rider it's often "scary" to rev the engine high for some reason but try it out in a straight, you'll find that the 250 provides a lot more acceleration & power than (personally) I expected it to because it's a "starter bike". The concept of "most people will never use a 600ss to its full potential" didn't really sink in until I drove my 250 for 2-3 weeks.

Point I'm trying to make here is a "starter bike" has equivalent acceleration characteristics to a supercar - and it's much harder to handle in turns than a car.

 

[raven105x]

Even if you don't start a thread a week later asking how to do wheelies.

Man, speaking of that. Not to derail drummer's thread, but I've found it awful difficult to do wheelies on my '06 Kawa EX250. I've done it and held them for 5-7 seconds a few times in a straight but to me it seems like just getting my kawa to lift the front tire takes a lot of effort - maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 

[xcr0vvx]

Though i dont agree with the 600SS first bike=instant death people that seem to be all around this board, a 250 for a first street bike is always a good idea. That being said, having dirt experience does make a big difference in my opinion. You already have good throttle control and smooth shifting. If you ride hard youre probably very comfortable with the back end breaking loose, and know what it feels like when you get on the front brake really hard. Youve probably had enough pucker moments that instincts just kinda kick in when something gnarly happens. Does that make you ready for a 160HP liter bike... nope, but you still have a lot more going for you then some dude that hasnt ever ridden a motorcycle

As far as people not exactly being nice about the starter bike thing on here, as somebody said before, theyre just bitter. Too many punk 19 year old kids come on here asking which can wheelie better, gixxah750 or gixxza1k, then think they know more than the people trying to give advice. People who sometimes have been riding for longer then said punk kid has been alive.

Listen to what the old timers on here say, they generally know what theyre talking about, but just get whatever bike you really want to get and enjoy riding it

 

[raven105x]

Too many punk 19 year old kids come on here asking which can wheelie better

Don't shoot me down, bro! :banana:boink

 

[drummer92]

...alright ill probably get a 250. the only turn off i had was it tops out just after 80 but thats probably a good thing so i wont be tempted to go faster ug i hate being responsible ha

 

[raven105x]

...alright ill probably get a 250. the only turn off i had was it tops out just after 80 but thats probably a good thing so i wont be tempted to go faster ug i hate being responsible ha

It doesn't you can still blast past cars on the freeway like a madman. My kawa has fairly good acceleration past 10k RPM in 6th - I've taken it to 105-110mph on my way to college when I was running late.

 

[drummer92]

i dont ride mx, i ride rocky dirt trails all over the mountain behind my house. and drifting my little 125 in gravel is quite fun, so i do know the feeling of the tire breaking loose. and ill never EVER try to endo again... why i tried it on a dirtbike i dont know