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Hi all!

I wanted to ask you guys a couple questions before i get robbed by the Yamaha service.
I called my Yamaha Service today to ask for an oil change and they said i need the full service since i have 6000 miles on the bike with only the 600 service done.

Do i need the full maintenance or should i be fine with just an oil change at this point?

They also said the full service is gonna be around 300$. Am i being ripped off? I got the 600 miles full service for 200$ before.

Thanks for the replys.
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In my opinion, you're getting ripped off. You'd have to check the manual for the mileage for the first valve adjustment, but I'm pretty sure it's at around 24,000 miles or so. I could be wrong. I just took my '06 in for the 600 mile service and paid $106 for an oil change! Luckily, they only charged me for one hour of labor at $65/hour. They won't be seeing my bike again until something goes wrong or the valves need adjusting. If I were you IMHO I'd just change the oil yourself and f*#k the dealer for now.
 

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+1, save your coin and look the bike over yourself.
 

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No way Duck...do it yourself or take it to Cycle Depot in Eagle Rock. Talk to Tommy (phone option 3) and tell him you're late on your 4000 mile service. Changing the oil is no big deal if that's all you're after. He'll probably only charge you about $125 to replace all the filters and change the oil, lube everything, plus full inspection. Mention anything weird you're noticing and they'll check that for free.

The 4000 mile service really only calls for an oil change and to check or lube everything else. I can come by and help you with that.
 

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There are a very few basic things that you as the owner/rider need to be able to do. First, be able to change the oil and oil filter. Both are very accessible on the FZ6 (after you get the factory installed plug and filter off finally for the first time). The other, clean and lub the chain, and adjust it as necessary (not really that often). Other than that, the beauty of this bike, and most other modern ones, is really not much else is required. Look it over occasionally for loose nuts and bolts. And unless it's running crappy or making loud tapping noises, the valves don't get checked until 27,000 miles. You can adjust clutch and throttle cable play, if any excess is there, yourself with the adjusters on the cables. There's just not much to do on this bike. Keep receipts of your oil and filter purchases and record the date and mileage of the changes. Don't give your money away until something is wrong. And actually, I suggest when tires are needed, you save a few bucks by removing the wheels yourself and taking them in for new tires (if you don't mount tires yourself). Again, beauty of the FZ6 is it has a center stand making alot of this easy. My brother on his SV650 is envious. My opinion. roger
 

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Save your money. Tires, oil and filter changes with a few minor chain lubes (every 500 miles, I lube every other fill up) and chain adjustments are all that need to be done, till 26,000 mile. Go to the local oil and filter shop. Pick up a Mobile 1 filter, and Mobile 1 10W - 50 synthetic oil. Change yourself and ride! Cost, 30 min time, and $35.00.
 

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Look in your owners manual at the list of things to be done for the 4,000 mile service (there's MORE to it than just "looking over the bike" and changing the oil) and ask yourself if you feel like you're capable and/or willing of doing everything listed yourself. If so, save yourself some money and do it. I believe the 4,000 mile service also calls for the replacement of the air filter... not hard, but will be another part you'll need to pick up other than just oil and filter.

If you do the service yourself, make sure you save the receipts for the parts, etc... so if anything warranty related should come up, you have some sort of "proof" that the recommended service intervals were followed.
 

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Lucky_Devil said:
Look in your owners manual at the list of things to be done for the 4,000 mile service (there's MORE to it than just "looking over the bike" and changing the oil) and ask yourself if you feel like you're capable and/or willing of doing everything listed yourself. If so, save yourself some money and do it. I believe the 4,000 mile service also calls for the replacement of the air filter... not hard, but will be another part you'll need to pick up other than just oil and filter.

If you do the service yourself, make sure you save the receipts for the parts, etc... so if anything warranty related should come up, you have some sort of "proof" that the recommended service intervals were followed.

Looking at the manual, the hardest thing required to be CHECKED is the throttle body synch. I am not even sure that needs to be done as long as your engine is running smoothly, ie, no odd vibrations.

How do you prove you have performed a throttle body synch? As for denying warranty claims, they have to prove that what you did or did not do, is the cause of the failure. They can not deny a warrnty claim for your wiring harness shorting out and burning up, just because you did not change the oil every 4000 miles. There are laws to protect consumers.
 

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Looking at the manual, the hardest thing required to be CHECKED is the throttle body synch. I am not even sure that needs to be done as long as your engine is running smoothly, ie, no odd vibrations.
Does the original poster have the tools/means necessary to perform a throttle body synch? Is the original poster familiar enough with bikes to even know what qualifies as an "odd vibration" and make the determination that a throttle body synch is not necessary? This was my point in mentioning that he review what the manual says and determine if he feels he's qualified to do it himself.

Mine needed adjustment at 4,000 miles....

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How do you prove you have performed a throttle body synch? As for denying warranty claims, they have to prove that what you did or did not do, is the cause of the failure. They can not deny a warrnty claim for your wiring harness shorting out and burning up, just because you did not change the oil every 4000 miles. There are laws to protect consumers.
Wow, that's a pretty far fetched scenario there... and I'm sure you're correct, since the engine oil has nothing to do with the electrical system. My point was, that if anything DOES happen (that's engine related), what do you think the first thing is that they're going to ask about? Hmmmm, perhaps the service records???.... especially if the dealer has no service history on file for the bike. Really, don't you think it would be better to have the receipts and never need them than to need them and not have them?
 

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Does the original poster have the tools/means necessary to perform a throttle body synch? Is the original poster familiar enough with bikes to even know what qualifies as an "odd vibration" and make the determination that a throttle body synch is not necessary? This was my point in mentioning that he review what the manual says and determine if he feels he's qualified to do it himself.
Well he can pay to have it done, or save some money by buying the tools needed and do it himself. There is plenty of info on this forum and from the service manual.


Wow, that's a pretty far fetched scenario there... and I'm sure you're correct, since the engine oil has nothing to do with the electrical system. My point was, that if anything DOES happen (that's engine related), what do you think the first thing is that they're going to ask about? Hmmmm, perhaps the service records???.... especially if the dealer has no service history on file for the bike. Really, don't you think it would be better to have the receipts and never need them than to need them and not have them?
Yes it was far fetched but, it was to prove a point. As for keeping receipts, I have enough paperwork from tax returns, credit card bills, and bank statements. All of that is shredded and thrown out at the end of the year (with the exception of tax records, there you have to keep it for at least five years). No, I am not interested in keeping receipts for oil and filter purchases. Oh and how would ever prove you did a throttle body synch?
 

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FZS6TLdude said:
Save your money. Tires, oil and filter changes with a few minor chain lubes (every 500 miles, I lube every other fill up) and chain adjustments are all that need to be done, till 26,000 mile. Go to the local oil and filter shop. Pick up a Mobile 1 filter, and Mobile 1 10W - 50 synthetic oil. Change yourself and ride! Cost, 30 min time, and $35.00.
Like he said... do it yourself until you need a valve adjustment.:)
 

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Does the original poster have the tools/means necessary to perform a throttle body synch? Is the original poster familiar enough with bikes to even know what qualifies as an "odd vibration" and make the determination that a throttle body synch is not necessary? This was my point in mentioning that he review what the manual says and determine if he feels he's qualified to do it himself.

Mine needed adjustment at 4,000 miles....



Wow, that's a pretty far fetched scenario there... and I'm sure you're correct, since the engine oil has nothing to do with the electrical system. My point was, that if anything DOES happen (that's engine related), what do you think the first thing is that they're going to ask about? Hmmmm, perhaps the service records???.... especially if the dealer has no service history on file for the bike. Really, don't you think it would be better to have the receipts and never need them than to need them and not have them?
If Yamaha ever wants you to buy another bike from them, they will honor the warranty whether you do it or the shop does it and whether you can prove you did the service or not. They can't afford to loose anyone as a customer.
 

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basically if you ask for an oil change, thats all they are required to give you. to bully you into more service you aren't asking to be done, is wrong in my books. They can't force you to pay them to do the work. But the bottom line is that the work needs to be carried out....by someone.
I agree with the warranty issues though. Cover your bases and you'll have more solid ground to stand on if you have to fight it out. they have a right to refuse anything for warranty, thats their business, but it can bite them later in lost sales. but do you think they really care? as soon as you leave in a huff, there is someone new walking in the door....you can't stop them all.
 

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I honestly think that the most important service to bring into the shop for is the first one. If you have the skills and tools, the rest can be done at home.
 

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I honestly think that the most important service to bring into the shop for is the first one. If you have the skills and tools, the rest can be done at home.

Are you talking about the 600 mile service? If so, that is one expensive oil change. I did that one myself at the advice of the dealer.
 

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yeah it's an expensive oil change, but I like to get a professional look at the bike to see if there is anything not right from the factory. I hung out in the bay while they serviced my bike, and watched them go over various odds and ends. Since my first two services were covered by the dealer, I wasn't worried about cost.
 

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rennsport said:
Are you talking about the 600 mile service? If so, that is one expensive oil change. I did that one myself at the advice of the dealer.
I hear Renn even debugged problems with the solid-state circuitry in the speedo/tach console and EFI fuel mapping printed circuit boards with nothing but a homemade vacuum tube tester and a can of TV tuner cleaner

(just kidding...I had to, I just had to...the avatar and all...) :lao

Big picture, I think we sometimes give too much credit to the dealers. It's just an engine, no different than your car, your lawnmower, your weedeater...change the fluids, keep up on chain lube/tension, cables, brakes, tires, etc and she'll provide years of dependable service.

In NY, we're required to have a safety inspection done yearly - that's enough of a "second opinion" for me to feel comfortable that anything that could cause the bike and me to become separated whilst moving
 

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hey, i'm approaching 4k also After going over the manual, I'm pretty sure that I can do just about everything for the 2nd service but i'm not sure how to check a few things. Is everything really necessary, or only if something is outta whack?

The parts that I'm concerned about are:
-checking exhaust for leakage (what am i looking for exactly?)
-checking air filter element (doubt this needs to be done, but haven't lifted the tank yet)
-checking wheel bearings
-applying lithium-soap to break/clutch pivots (is this really necessary?)
-lubing cables (is this necessary either?)
 

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thatguyx said:
hey, i'm approaching 4k also After going over the manual, I'm pretty sure that I can do just about everything for the 2nd service but i'm not sure how to check a few things. Is everything really necessary, or only if something is outta whack?

The parts that I'm concerned about are:
-checking exhaust for leakage (what am i looking for exactly?) lOOK FOR ANY BLOW BY SUCH AS CARBON OR OTHER ODD LOOKING STUFF AT ALL SEAMS AND JOINTS
-checking air filter element (doubt this needs to be done, but haven't lifted the tank yet) PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DONE, YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT THE SMALL CRITTERS YOU'LL FIND STUCK IN THERE.
-checking wheel bearings ROTATE WHEELS, CHECK FOR FREE MOVEMENT/NO PLAY OR ABNORMAL NOISE, RE-GREASE IF NECESSARY
-applying lithium-soap to break/clutch pivots (is this really necessary?) WANT THOSE PIVOT POINTS TO WEAR OUT? BETTER GREASE THEM WITH SOMETHING
-lubing cables (is this necessary either?)
PREVENTATIVE MAINTENCE GOES A LONG WAY. IF YOU CAN LUBE THEM DO IT AND YOU WON'T WHINE LATER ABOUT THEM GETTING STIFF.
 

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sorry, the method i used to answer your questions turned out weird...just read everything i put in capitols....
 
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