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Ok... here's the story...

I play soccer and every Wednesday I have practice which begins at 6:00p.m. I get done with work at 4:30, after which I have to literally run to my car, and drive directly there to make it on time... If I catch too many red lights, I end up being late... That's how bad traffic is. Anyway. I get to the field and I really badly have to pee. There are two porty potties there however one of them houses a bee hive and as a result both have bee's swarming around. The field we play at sits by a road, not a major road, but there is a fair bit of traffic that comes past. On the other side of the road there are woods. These woods are two trees deep, followed by a small dropoff into a stream, and then miles of woods beyond that. I walk over to the woods and begin to pee. Well, a cop pull in and immediately calls me over... He starts reaming me out saying that he saw everything, he asks for id, and then proceeds to write me a ticket for Disorderly conduct.

This really sucks, I've plead not guilty but the ticket is $350! On top of that I'm assuming that this will stick on my record, and surely will affect any background checks which employees look at. I really don't know what to do... I'm sure I could of gone a little further into the woods but it's not like I was just pissing in the middle of the street. The distance from the street to where I was peeing is 121ft (yes, I used google earth) I had my back turned, and I was within the first line of trees... On top of that, the speed limit on the road is 35mph, so he would have been going at least 25mph... If he was able to "see everything" through all that then I should be in the porno business...

I really could use some advice... please help.

Thanks in advance,

Daniel.
 

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i assume that disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor there, but an admission will definately stick on your record if convicted. I would look for a dismissal on court costs or a few hours of community service if your actions even fit the crime charged. I'm not sure that urinating in public fits the definition of disorderly conduct. I doubt it.
 

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Count your lucky stars he didn't arrest you for public urination.

In lots of states you can be arrested for public urination...and if you get arrested and convicted of it you end up having to register as a sex offender.



"Because registration requirements are overbroad in scope and overlong in duration, there are more than 600,000 registered sex offenders in the US, including individuals convicted of non-violent crimes such as consensual sex between teenagers, prostitution, and public urination, as well as those who committed their only offenses decades ago."
US: Sex Offender Laws May Do More Harm Than Good (Human Rights Watch, 12-9-2007)




Here's another site talking about urinating in public:
Public Urination Law & Legal Definition

This one says that in areas that don't have a law specifically about urinating in public, that you will sometimes be given a citation for disorderly conduct.
 

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there seems to be several types of disorderly conduct in PA.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
makes unreasonable noise;
uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.

This is the general one. I don't think you broke it.
 

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i assume that disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor there, but an admission will definately stick on your record if convicted. I would look for a dismissal on court costs or a few hours of community service if your actions even fit the crime charged. I'm not sure that urinating in public fits the definition of disorderly conduct. I doubt it.
Urinating in Public is a misdemeanor in VA. and is Disorderly Conduct. If you have a clean record you might try two things. See if you can make phone contact with the DA and explain the situation. What f2benny said above is good. Ask if you could have it continued for 6 months and if you get into no further criminal issues could it be dismissed. Or, if you can afford a lawyer get them to do this for you as they usually have better luck at negotiating. Or, you could fight it and take your chances.
 

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there seems to be several types of disorderly conduct in PA.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
makes unreasonable noise;
uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.

This is the general one. I don't think you broke it.

There's also local ordinances...the state doesn't make the only applicable laws to a geographic location.
 

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How would I even go about finding the phone number to the DA?... I just think it's kind of harsh... I understand If I was downtown peeing in the street... but where i was?
 

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Where exactly did you get the ticket?? What town/city/village?? Pittsburgh, or was it technically one of the outlying areas??

The ticket SHOULD have the number that you need to call about the ticket. I'm sure that would be a good place to start.
 

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Consider yourself lucky! Here in Kansas you would of been charged with exposing yourself in public, and became an sex offender!
 

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Consider yourself lucky! Here in Kansas you would of been charged with exposing yourself in public, and became an sex offender!
Doesn't anyone else feel that's slightly over-aggressive?
 

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Consider yourself lucky! Here in Kansas you would of been charged with exposing yourself in public, and became an sex offender!
Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. Getting off with just a misdemeanor is "lucky" considering the alternative...a life of registering as a sex offender, for doing something that hurt nobody...
 

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Where exactly did you get the ticket?? What town/city/village?? Pittsburgh, or was it technically one of the outlying areas??

The ticket SHOULD have the number that you need to call about the ticket. I'm sure that would be a good place to start.
Monroeville, Pa.
 

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Doesn't anyone else feel that's slightly over-aggressive?
It is slightly over-aggressive. But it's also the law in MANY places. So you should consider yourself lucky that you're only going to end up with a misdemeanor at worst.

Which is worse...having an employer do a background check and find you have a misdemeanor...or having them do a background check and find that you are a registered sex offender??
 

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I'd rather not have either for simply peeing in the woods... however, I do understand your point.
 

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I'd rather not have either for simply peeing in the woods... however, I do understand your point.
Well of course...and I agree that it's a bit ridiculous.

I THINK that if you contact the proper authority and run the situation by them they may be lenient. Especially if you don't have much else going on with the law in your past.

It LOOKS like Monroeville is in Allegheny County. Here's the phone directory for the Attorney's Office:
Allegheny County District Attorney | Telephone Directory
 

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Well of course...and I agree that it's a bit ridiculous.

I THINK that if you contact the proper authority and run the situation by them they may be lenient. Especially if you don't have much else going on with the law in your past.

It LOOKS like Monroeville is in Allegheny County. Here's the phone directory for the Attorney's Office:
Allegheny County District Attorney*|*Telephone Directory
You are freaking awesome... rep added...

How does this work? I just call him up on that number and then what?


*edit* I guess rep in general has been turned off?
 

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i just checked and urinating in public is disorderly conduct in PA...cut the best deal possible.
 

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This blows... end of story...

Does anyone know if I'm going to actually be able to talk to the DA? Or is he going to pretty much tell me to piss off?
 

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