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Smilies...

Ridiculously trite little animated graphics that have long since spiraled out of control and absolutely annoy me. Hate them. Truly hate every last one of the little cutesy smiley faces grinning, puking, pissing, laughing...you name it, it makes my skin crawl. The UserCP already has the following options:

- Show Signatures
- Show Avatars
- Show Images (including attached images and images in code)

What I would like to request is that "Show Smilies" be added as an option. I'll hack the feature in myself, if need be. I realize that posts would then start looking like this:

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This is some stupid text :withstupidsmilies :becausetheysuck
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And, I can live with that. Please, please...make the madness that is smilies stop.
 

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I say don't change a thing. Otherwise, we couldn't use the following smilies to decribe our thoughts of threads suggesting that smilies be purged:

:flipa :cry :lame :moon :gay
 

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This is how I see replies in email. This is how I'd prefer to see them in threads. Banal smilies ceased being entertaining in message board usage somewhere around 1999.

And, I'm not advocating smilies be "purged". I'm suggesting users be given the open in their individual settings to disable them. But, now that you mention it, I'd settle for total purging, as well.
 

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TheWraith said:
This is how I see replies in email. This is how I'd prefer to see them in threads. Banal smilies ceased being entertaining in message board usage somewhere around 1999.

And, I'm not advocating smilies be "purged". I'm suggesting users be given the open in their individual settings to disable them. But, now that you mention it, I'd settle for total purging, as well.
You could always create your own sportbike message board, where you could control every aspect of its administration. Don't want smilies? No smilies. Let me know if you need someone to mod it for you. I'll be sure to pass along the want ad to someone who might be interested. But be sure to clearly explain the qualifications that you're looking for, e.g., objectivity, a willingness to stand one's ground, etc. :)
 

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Now you're thinking.

Or, we could just submit comments and suggestions to Fred, as he has repeatedly shown he is in favor of, prefers, and encourages individuals to do, including ideas and related thoughts, so that he may make informed decisions on how he'd like his message board to unfold.
 

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Now you're thinking.

Or, we could just submit comments and suggestions to Fred, as he has repeatedly shown he is in favor of, prefers, and encourages individuals to do, including ideas and related thoughts, so that he may make informed decisions on how he'd like his message board to unfold.
You're exactly right. Just as suggestions are encouraged, opposition to those suggestions is equally encouraged. That way, Fred is able to decide what the majority of the membership wants.

Seriously, I think it would be therapeudic for you to start your own site. I'm sure it will do very well, by your standards. :)
 

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I don't think you're aware of my history or experience in web development, message board programming, relevant companies, coding et. al. Not that you need to be, but the tone of your message seems to indicate you're of the opinion I haven't done exactly that for over the last 10 years. I'm not going to take the time to brief you, because it's a waste of both our times, but I "started my own" long before you probably even logged onto this little Intarweb.

This was the oldest thing I could Google for, it will just have to do.

http://webwerkz.com/clients9.html

i82.Com
Nationwide!
PC Game Enthusiast Community WebSite
75+ pages, 18 custom programs/scripts
Design, Programming and Hosting by Webwerkz!
Design/Programming credit: Christopher Schear


Of course, that page has a publish date of early 1998 and that particular site of mine was placed online in 1996, December time frame. And, of course, you'll notice the site is very "portal-based", and portal software such as PHPNuke, Geeklog, Drupal, Wordpress, Mambo Open Source, b2, Xoops, nucleus, nucleuslite, siteframe, etc...none of those existed back then. Wonder who wrote that portal code, hmm. Messageboards such as vBulletin and UBB (Which I'm personally and professionall assocated with) didn't even exist at the time. Well, UBB existed in 1998 and if you go back and research InfoPop (or, Madrona Park Inc. at the time), you'll find me intricately associated with code feature hacking and design.

I'm not sure what supposed theraphy you think web development brings to the table, but I'd estimate that if you consider all of my history, I've had over 50 of my "own sites". I currently only maintain 6, purely hobby in nature. Just like Fred. Just like sportbikes.net.

Am I "healed"? Or, do I need more therapy?
 

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Am I "healed"? Or, do I need more therapy?
Well, based on your decision to list your resume, and your flooding of this forum with suggestions, I think that perhaps you feel that your talents are being wasted as a mere member of this web forum. Rather than see you fret over someone else's decisions in regard to your numerous suggestions, I suggested that you create current site number 7, where you could be king of your own sportbike world. Apparently, you enjoy being a site admin (having created over 50 sites in the past), so I thought that maybe you would derive some current therapeudic pleasure from running your own sportbike site just the way you want to, at present. :)
 

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That's a far cry from my resume. I was just citing an example for your reference, since you seemed to think I needed to do something you were of the opinion of that I'd never done before. I just didn't want you to continue to exist in the fog of ignorance. Not that I'm not saying you're ignorant, per say. Just that you aren't informed as to what "therapy" I have already self administered.

...I think that perhaps you feel that your talents are being wasted as a mere member of this web forum.
While I appreciate your interjections and associated relevations into my psyche, Fred and I have had extensive discussions regarding our individual histories and he is more than aware of my personal relationship as a "mere member of this web forum". The details and specifcs of those conversations aren't relevant but I will summarize in saying that it isn't necessary or exactly prudent to reinvent the wheel, nor is it possible, each and every time. This particular website continues to spin around its axis more than adequately.

It would just be better without smilies. ;) Emoticons, just fine. Code transition into graphical representation? Overdone, overused, whose life is more than overextended. All in my own opinion, of course. I know that users tend to be completely in love with them and it's a feature that drove people to one product over another in the late 90s. The UBB was the first product to implement "text to graphic" translation and I'm ashamed to admit, I was part of the problem. And, to overlap topics... A good example of poor use of space and bandwidth that you've mentioned in another thread. A 93 byte .GIF takes up more resources than a mere semicolon and a single parenthesis in ASCII does.

Code:
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Just trying to be the most economical here, friend. :)
 

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Well, based on your decision to list your resume, and your flooding of this forum with suggestions, I think that perhaps you feel that your talents are being wasted as a mere member of this web forum. Rather than see you fret over someone else's decisions in regard to your numerous suggestions, I suggested that you create current site number 7, where you could be king of your own sportbike world. Apparently, you enjoy being a site admin (having created over 50 sites in the past), so I thought that maybe you would derive some current therapeudic pleasure from running your own sportbike site just the way you want to, at present. :)
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That's a far cry from my resume. I was just citing an example for your reference, since you seemed to think I needed to do something you were of the opinion of that I'd never done before. I just didn't want you to continue to exist in the fog of ignorance. Not that I'm not saying you're ignorant, per say. Just that you aren't informed as to what "therapy" I have already self administered.
Actually, I'm aware that you were the person who hijacked cycleforums, so I figured that you had some web forum experience. And, in my previous post, I stated that I thought that you would derive some therapeudic relief from doing something that you apparently enjoy doing (administrating web sites). Your inference that I think that you've never administrated a website before is simply incorrect.

Obviously, this site has many shortcomings in your opinion, otherwise you wouldn't start so many suggestion threads. Apparently, the shortcomings are significant enough for you to bring each one of them up. History has shown us that Fred doesn't implement each and every one of your suggestions, so I figured that, based on your view of the perfect sportbike site, you'd be better off creating your own from scratch, where you could set it up however you think best. Knowing that you have done it several times before makes me think that you enjoy it. At least for me, when I do something that I enjoy, it has a therapeudic effect on me. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that administering your own sportbike website would be therapeudic for you.




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While I appreciate your interjections and associated relevations into my psyche, Fred and I have had extensive discussions regarding our individual histories and he is more than aware of my personal relationship as a "mere member of this web forum". The details and specifcs of those conversations aren't relevant but I will summarize in saying that it isn't necessary or exactly prudent to reinvent the wheel, nor is it possible, each and every time. This particular website continues to spin around its axis more than adequately.
And Fred and I have had extensive discussions on whether SBN would be better off without you as a member. Is either set of discussions relevant to the current issue? If not, why bring them up? Does it make either one of us any more important than the other just because we've personally spoken with Fred about a particular issue? :dunno



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It would just be better without smilies. ;) Emoticons, just fine. Code transition into graphical representation? Overdone, overused, whose life is more than overextended. All in my own opinion, of course. I know that users tend to be completely in love with them and it's a feature that drove people to one product over another in the late 90s. The UBB was the first product to implement "text to graphic" translation and I'm ashamed to admit, I was part of the problem. And, to overlap topics... A good example of poor use of space and bandwidth that you've mentioned in another thread. A 93 byte .GIF takes up more resources than a mere semicolon and a single parenthesis in ASCII does.

Code:
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Just trying to be the most economical here, friend. :)
Cool. Back on topic.
 

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Actually, I'm aware that you were the person who hijacked cycleforums, so I figured that you had some web forum experience.
Uh, what? I've never 'hijacked' cycleforums.com. Maybe you're using 'hijack' to describe something other than I'm imagining. CasterTroy banned me from Cycleforums for comments made at Katanaplanet.com, towards a buddy and coworker of mine, because he didn't realize our association as long time friends and collegues and proceded to think he needed to 'protect' some member from my jovial ribbing, rather than apologize for his misunderstanding - He had administrative rights on both servers and as I've mentioned in other thread regarding the intentions of certain administrator jollies over another, he went where he went with it. Be that as it may, I've never 'hijacked' any website. I proxied my connection to and registered new accounts so that I could keep posting, but that's hardly 'hijacking'. At least, in my mind. As has been stated elsewhere that I read recently, by another administrator of a non-sportbike related forum, banning; IP or otherwise, within forum software is only an effective deterant on novice Internet users. It's not intended to inhibit the activities of an individual with web development background, administrator experience in forum software, etc. It will stop my Mother from accessing but short of anyone else of her comparable Internet ignorance, it's little more than a 30 second nuesance.

But, anyway...hijack? I don't agree.

Obviously, this site has many shortcomings in your opinion, otherwise you wouldn't start so many suggestion threads. Apparently, the shortcomings are significant enough for you to bring each one of them up
I have opinions. I voice them. I make no claims that sportbikes.net is rich in shortcomings or anything of the like. At all.

History has shown us that Fred doesn't implement each and every one of your suggestions...
Nor, yours. Or anyone else's. He does, however, read and consider each. If you think he doesn't value my opinion, or your opinion, or John Doe's opinion - why do you even bother offering yours? My ego isn't injured and I can go about my day without fret regardless of how many of my suggestions Fred implements. My day doesn't revolve around Fred's acceptance to my ideas. Don't know if you are trying to say the inverse is true or not, but I thought I'd clarify. He can implement what he chooses to. Makes no never mind to me at the end of the day. I'm just voicing.

...you'd be better off creating your own from scratch, where you could set it up however you think best. Knowing that you have done it several times before makes me think that you enjoy it. At least for me, when I do something that I enjoy, it has a therapeudic effect on me. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that administering your own sportbike website would be therapeudic for you.
I don't disagree in the least. I understand where you're coming from and find no error in your logic. However, the question remains, how many sportbike websites does the Internet really need? vBulletin isn't my first choice in message boards, but that fact aside, from inception to production - I can place a vBulletin message board online in as little as 5 minutes or less. What would be the value added? The mere ease of doing something doesn't necessarily justify the effort. If I thought it would be of benefit to any significant number of people, I'd do it. I don't, so I don't. I don't necessarily believe the Internet needs to be the foreground for each individuals personal needs; theraputic or otherwise. It's gotta have porn, though. It can't operate without porn. It's a functional requirement. There's an RFC on it, I'm certain of it.

And Fred and I have had extensive discussions on whether SBN would be better off without you as a member.
Obviously, he doesn't implement all your ideas, either. So, now we're in the same "boat of opinion" on this sea of the Intarweb, with equal footing in who gets to be next in line to offer Fred our thoughts. Aren't we a couple of happy monkeys?

Cool. Back on topic.
Absolutely! Smilies suck!

(If only Fred still had the points/money hack implemented where the value appointed to each individual was determined on points per thread started, per repiled, and the popularity of both therein based on the number of replies - you'd be funding me to that illustrious "glowing username" in no time. If he re-implements that feature, let us talk about smilies again sometime, ok?)
 

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Uh, what? I've never 'hijacked' cycleforums.com. Maybe you're using 'hijack' to describe something other than I'm imagining. CasterTroy banned me from Cycleforums for comments made at Katanaplanet.com, towards a buddy and coworker of mine, because he didn't realize our association as long time friends and collegues and proceded to think he needed to 'protect' some member from my jovial ribbing, rather than apologize for his misunderstanding - He had administrative rights on both servers and as I've mentioned in other thread regarding the intentions of certain administrator jollies over another, he went where he went with it. Be that as it may, I've never 'hijacked' any website. I proxied my connection to and registered new accounts so that I could keep posting, but that's hardly 'hijacking'. At least, in my mind. As has been stated elsewhere that I read recently, by another administrator of a non-sportbike related forum, banning; IP or otherwise, within forum software is only an effective deterant on novice Internet users. It's not intended to inhibit the activities of an individual with web development background, administrator experience in forum software, etc. It will stop my Mother from accessing but short of anyone else of her comparable Internet ignorance, it's little more than a 30 second nuesance.

But, anyway...hijack? I don't agree.
According to Fred (as posted in the mod forum a few weeks ago), you hijacked cycleforums to the point that Rezin had to beg you to give him his site back. Apparently, it had something to do with you hacking into CF and taking over. Whatever actually happened is beyond me, but it sure sounds like what I'd refer to as "hijacking" cycleforums. Now, given your previous posts spouting your knowledge of hacking, it's not unreasonable to believe that story.
 

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O.W. Kenobi said:
According to Fred (as posted in the mod forum a few weeks ago), you hijacked cycleforums to the point that Rezin had to beg you to give him his site back. Apparently, it had something to do with you hacking into CF and taking over. Whatever actually happened is beyond me, but it sure sounds like what I'd refer to as "hijacking" cycleforums.
In that case, Fred has obviously been misinformed. I've never "had" Rezin's site. I've never been begged by Rezin for anything. I've never exploited, attempted to exploit, or otherwise engaged in any nefarious activities which pertain to applicable vulnerabilities that would place Cycleforums.com at risk of being taken over, "hijacked", hacked, stolen, abused, misused, or otherwise anally assaulted.

Now, given your previous posts spouting your knowledge of hacking, it's not unreasonable to believe that story.
I think you have absolutely no understanding of what it means to be "A hacker", that first and foremost it's not a black title, and that hacking is actually a cherrished programming practice. It's not a "bad thing". Secondly, I think you have even less understanding of what my profession includes, what my work experience and education includes, and who I've done what I do for. You seem to want to paint me as some big, bad monster. You're chalking the wrong tire.

(dig that relative metaphore I slipped in there, eh? Yeah, I dig me, too.)
 

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omg....we need a 'my head is spinning' smilie lol
Noooooo! You bastard! Smilies, bad! ;)
 

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If we were to take a poll, I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of SBN members would not want to have their smilies taken away. That's just my guess. I've never heard of anyone ever wanting them removed until now.

Smilies Frick'n ROCK!!! :2devil :headbang :2devil :headbang

Besides, if it were something to happen that we couldn't have smilies on the board we could always link to them from other sites (kinda like the ones below).







OH, and my personal favorite.............
 

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^^^

I find it somewhat amusing that a guy that actually has "Beavis" as his avatar is calling anything "ghey."




Back on track, I think smilies are pretty cool. I wouldn't want to have them disabled. They are sometimes the only way that I know people are joking...

And this big one is badass...hahaha
 

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I thought we were supposed to let people know we were just joking around by using the smileys.:eek:verlord
 

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You monkeys don't listen, do you? Did I say "take them away"? No, I said implement an option in the UserCP for each user to DISABLE them if desired.
 
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