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Well - best is subjective. Harris and a couple other companies make excellent stands - they just also happen to cost as much as the PitBulls.
 

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Right- pitbull is NOT the only company out there that makes a good stand. But they are made in the USA, have a lifetime warranty, and the largest dealer network.

Anything on par with pitbull costs as much or more.

So yeah- if you find a deal on different nice stands, by all means go ahead and get them.
 

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PitBull. Yes they are like $50 more. Worth it.

The bike is worth like $3,500.00 - why would it be a problem to spend $50 more dollars to protect a much larger investment. The other stands will work just fine, until they don't.

Also Pitbull sells convertable stands that allow you to use spools or the swingarm.
This sounds like the "buy this $400 SNELL-rated helmet instead of that $100 SNELL-rated helmet because it's safer" argument.

How do y'all actually envision a rear stand failing? They are two chunks of pipe, each supporting between 100-250 lbs max (600lb bike, 300lb rider, 500lb on rear), almost directly in compression. If they fail at all, it would be from some sideways motion that would move the support point way off the center so that the leverage torqued the base and they collapsed laterally, like a tire ramp failure. But I've never heard of a stand failure, only bikes being dropped putting them on or taking them off.

That POS HF aluminum stand allows you to use spools or swingarm pads as well, btw.

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The pipe is not the only story with stands. Some are welded, some are bolted together. Some lift at different angles, which make them less stable or more stable. The lifting pads on cheap stands, in my opinion, are not shaped as nicely as the more expensive ones, and are MUCH easier to knock off.

If you have spools, like I said earlier, it's not as big of a deal. But the pads on the cheap stands SUCK.

Also, the cheaper ones are NOT made as well. They won't last as long.
 

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The pipe is not the only story with stands. Some are welded, some are bolted together. Some lift at different angles, which make them less stable or more stable. The lifting pads on cheap stands, in my opinion, are not shaped as nicely as the more expensive ones, and are MUCH easier to knock off.

If you have spools, like I said earlier, it's not as big of a deal. But the pads on the cheap stands SUCK.

Also, the cheaper ones are NOT made as well. They won't last as long.
I agree with those comments, especially about the pads, which I hate using and don't trust in any case.

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I agree with those comments, especially about the pads, which I hate using and don't trust in any case.

KeS
Well, when you work on someone's bike that doesn't have spools, or a bike that can't accept spools, you sometimes don't have a choice...

And in THOSE circumstances, it's nice to have the better ones.
 

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With cheap (universal/pad) stands, I've seen the pads bend down and allow the bike to fall through. I've seen the swingarm slide down the pads allowing the bike to fall over. And I've seen the stand slowly bend out, allowing the bike to fall, similar the the pads bending down. Even when the bikes don't fall, swingarms are usually gouged pretty bad.

I haven't seen any cheap spool stands allow a bike to fall in person. But I guess this is the best way I can describe my experience with them. I've never seen Kia breakdown, and I don't know what their last JD Powers survey said. But when I had one as a rental car; it felt cheap and subpar compared the my Acuras and even my Toyota Tacoma. Maybe Kias are good cars these days, but I know my Acuras and Toyotas never break. If you've had good luck with Kias, I'm thrilled for you. But, I'll spend a few more bucks for my piece of mind.
 

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Well, when you work on someone's bike that doesn't have spools, or a bike that can't accept spools, you sometimes don't have a choice...

And in THOSE circumstances, it's nice to have the better ones.
Sure. I did specify spool stands in my original post.

BTW, to the people who say you can stick bolts in a spool hole - I've done that, but always been chary about it. With the spools torqued in place, they support the face of the swingarm where it's tapped. Without them, I can see a lot of leverage placed on the edge of that bolt hole.

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Motorcycle Stands- How To Use - YouTube

Here's a video from the new guy who posts up a bunch of videos. Here's a new argument against cheap stands (watch the part on using the rear stands)...
Right, but again, that's not an argument against cheap stands. There's nothing about the *quality* or *design* of that stand that is causing his problem. Bikes that have spool holes are themselves designed so that the spools can be used without interference (usually!). Bikes without spool holes - aren't. Whether a given pad stand will have interference problems with a given motorcycle is largely a matter of luck. I had a PitBull pad stand that didn't work at all with my Moto Guzzi, either.

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BTW, to the people who say you can stick bolts in a spool hole - I've done that, but always been chary about it. With the spools torqued in place, they support the face of the swingarm where it's tapped. Without them, I can see a lot of leverage placed on the edge of that bolt hole.

KeS
Hmmm... That's a good point. I didn't think about that. Maybe should spend $10, and get a better looking product to boot!
 

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It's been a long time since I've been around a Guzzi, but I don't recall any shaft-driven bikes being all that friendly to any universal/pad stand.

Anyway, I didn't post the video as a Pit Bull advertisement/endorsement. I've just been watching videos on YouTube for about an hour and this one reminded me of this thread.
 

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It's been a long time since I've been around a Guzzi, but I don't recall any shaft-driven bikes being all that friendly to any universal/pad stand.

Anyway, I didn't post the video as a Pit Bull advertisement/endorsement. I've just been watching videos on YouTube for about an hour and this one reminded me of this thread.
I didn't get what he was saying about putting one hand on the bars when using the front stand. At first I thought he was using it without a rear stand, until I replayed it.

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Discussion Starter · #35 ·
Thanks everyone for your posts. I have enough intelligence to figure out when I have a faulty or unreliable tool. If the stand seems weak, too flexible, or in any way unreliable, I will return it/sell it and get a better one. Like Kevin said: the bike will just sit on the stand. I wont put it through any side to side motion nor will I sit on the bike while its on the stand. I want it only for maintenance and tire changing.


Thanks again guys.
 

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So I just noticed that the OP has a Ninja 250R but their profile pic is of a K6/K7 GSXR 600.
 

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So I just noticed that the OP has a Ninja 250R but their profile pic is of a K6/K7 GSXR 600.
It was a lazy attempt to find ANY sportbike picture that would fit into the avatar diameters. Hence the tiny size. For some reason, my profile settings weren't accepting anything b***** than that photo.
 

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Thanks everyone for your posts. I have enough intelligence to figure out when I have a faulty or unreliable tool. If the stand seems weak, too flexible, or in any way unreliable, I will return it/sell it and get a better one. Like Kevin said: the bike will just sit on the stand. I wont put it through any side to side motion nor will I sit on the bike while its on the stand. I want it only for maintenance and tire changing.


Thanks again guys.
If it makes you feel better, I'm about to buy the absolute cheapest-ass rear stand I can for my new K-bike as well. :beer

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