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I have been wanting 1 of the 2. But I can't decide. I am aware of the price difference yet that isn't the concern. I'm more concerned with a bike I will be comfortable with. I have a sv 1k and plan on tracking that but want a great liter bike for myself. If you happen to have either one, please tell me pros vs cons besides the rider aids on the bmw.

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I'd go with the R1. It's cheaper, not a computer on wheels. So when something goes wrong, you can fix it yourself or take it to a independent shop instead of the BMW dealer. It'll be cheaper in the long run too. BMW head lights are ghay.
 

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What do you want a cucumber up your anus sphincter or a cucumber down you throat. I haven't used this in a long time, so i figure i would throw in. I agree with Mr. Encyclopedia above me.
 

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I'd go with the R1. It's cheaper, not a computer on wheels. So when something goes wrong, you can fix it yourself or take it to a independent shop instead of the BMW dealer. It'll be cheaper in the long run too. BMW head lights are ghay.
I have no idea what that "computer on wheels" distinction means. Both bikes are absolutely riddled with electronics, from traction control to computer-adjusted intake tracts to fly-by-wire throttles. If that scares you, I'd think that instead you'd want to pick the one that you trust the mechanics/shop more on. Normal maintenance items (oil, tires, chain, coolant, brakes, forks, shock) are comparably easy to do on both bikes.

I think the more important differences would be the distinctive sound of the cross-plane R1, and the power delivery differences between the two bikes. Which of those appeal to you, and do you want ABS or not?

Remember you can get a test ride on the S1000RR at most BMW dealers - don't know about the R1.

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ive ridden both and i would chose the bmw in a heart beat. the r1 was ok but felt b*****, didnt accelerate like the beemer does, slower sections took more effort and i didnt like the brake feel. the bmw felt like what i would consider a 1k bike to feel. did everything good power, handling, brakes and riding position. imo pretty much the best 1k out there right now.
 

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You're doing yourself a disservice to compare the R1 in its stock form. The EPA restrictions are the worst on this bike than pretty much anything else out at the moment. In fact, throttle is limited by the ECU to 80% max.

With an ECUnleashed flash for $349, its a COMPLETELY different bike.
 

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^ I was hoping LPMR would chime in about that.

So the power gets a lot more comparable if you do that. The traction control, abs is a plus to the BMW.

Parts availability (both aftermarket and used stock) is a HUGE plus to the R1 if you are planning on tracking it.

The dealers- BMW dealers are 1000 times easier to deal with. Also, they have a 3 year warranty, I believe... compared to the R1's 1 year.

And the r1 arguably sounds better. If that matters to you.

They are both good bikes. Personally, I'd take the BMW any day of the week.... but I really have something against japanese bikes, so take my opinion for what it's worth.
 

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I'd go with the R1. It's cheaper, not a computer on wheels. So when something goes wrong, you can fix it yourself or take it to a independent shop instead of the BMW dealer. It'll be cheaper in the long run too. BMW head lights are ghay.
The engine management on Yamahas is great, you can do all kind of diagnostics without the need for special equipment. I've used it on the XT660R, it allows you to check every sensor, injectors, coils, etc.
 

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The dealers- BMW dealers are 1000 times easier to deal with. Also, they have a 3 year warranty, I believe... compared to the R1's 1 year.
Correct, 1 year from the factory as standard. I bumped the warranty to a total of 3 years for something like $500 at time of purchase though. It was pretty cheap, and its fully Yamaha-backed.

I drove about 2hrs to this dealer because they had the best advertised prices. The bike was on cycletrader for $8999 in Dec 2011. When you consider the cost of the bike even with the extra warranty and mods, its a bargain in my book.
 

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I have no idea what that "computer on wheels" distinction means. Both bikes are absolutely riddled with electronics, from traction control to computer-adjusted intake tracts to fly-by-wire throttles.

KeS
Thats what I was thinking.


You're doing yourself a disservice to compare the R1 in its stock form. The EPA restrictions are the worst on this bike than pretty much anything else out at the moment. In fact, throttle is limited by the ECU to 80% max.

With an ECUnleashed flash for $349, its a COMPLETELY different bike.
So your saying buy a bike and immediately start spending your spare cash on it to fix it weakness that the other bike does not seem to have...lol..

Sounds like a plan!
 

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So your saying buy a bike and immediately start spending your spare cash on it to fix it weakness that the other bike does not seem to have...lol..

Sounds like a plan!
Yeah, congrats on being a dumbass.

8999 for a brand new r1
359 for a flash
199 for catless midpipe
800 for exhaust
300 for rearsets
80 for spiegler brake lines
=$10700?

A stock S1000RR costs what, $14 or 15k base?

Also, maybe you should look at my list of previous bikes...

EDIT: might want to also take a look at this. +15rwhp on the new ZX10R? Yeah its a waste...
MotoMummy: ECUnleashed Authorized Dealer - MotoMummy Forum
 

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Yeah, congrats on being a dumbass.

8999 for a brand new r1
359 for a flash
199 for catless midpipe
800 for exhaust
300 for rearsets
80 for spiegler brake lines
=$10700?

A stock S1000RR costs what, $14 or 15k base?

Also, maybe you should look at my list of previous bikes...

EDIT: might want to also take a look at this. +15rwhp on the new ZX10R? Yeah its a waste...
MotoMummy: ECUnleashed Authorized Dealer - MotoMummy Forum

How does that question make me a DA?

WOW! I just confirming your advice.

Why all the name calling?

Did I offend thee by asking that question? :eek:nfloor

So $1400 what does that break down per horsepower on the R1?

But you know.... you cant toss that extra heft the R1 will have over the 1000RR... and you still have not spent an extra penny over the purchase price like your advocating.

Just saying!
 

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How does that question make me a DA?

WOW! I just confirming your advice.

Why all the name calling?
Because you're acting like a prat.

OP - both are great bikes. Buy the one that makes your wedding vegetables tingle.
 

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Because you're acting like a prat.

OP - both are great bikes. Buy the one that makes your wedding vegetables tingle.
So here you go...:eek:nfloor

You guys are so Sensitive to anything that may tact your intellectual capabilities.

So Colorful Metaphors is your response? :eek:nfloor

"Sounds like a plan" may have been my way of agreeing with you...
 

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Yeah, congrats on being a dumbass.

8999 for a brand new r1
359 for a flash
199 for catless midpipe
800 for exhaust
300 for rearsets
80 for spiegler brake lines
=$10700?

A stock S1000RR costs what, $14 or 15k base?

Also, maybe you should look at my list of previous bikes...
Didn't take long to start with the Making Shit Up (tm). MSRP on the 2013 R1 is $14,490.

And I'll need a reference to that "EPA-mandated 80% throttle", because I don't believe that either. When the cross-plane came out, the fly-by-wire was dynoed at all throttle settings amd mapped extensively, and there was no mention of this. In fact, it was noted that the R1 actually gives MORE throttle than requested in some conditions to improve drive off corners. Most liter bikes inluding the BMW are ECU-limited in the lower gears for liability reasons.

KeS
 

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Didn't take long to start with the Making Shit Up (tm). MSRP on the 2013 R1 is $14,490.
So I'm a liar? I can scan my bill of sale if you like. It was a leftover 2010 model in December of 2011. At that point, the 11's were already out, and the 12's were starting to hit dealer floors. Same way I buy all my new bikes.

If you're paying MSRP for a new sportbike, your shopping-fu is extraordinarily weak.

And I'll need a reference to that "EPA-mandated 80% throttle", because I don't believe that either.
The US spec 09+ R1 cuts throttle inputs via the ECU. You only have 60% available between 0 and 6k rpm, and then 80% throttle available after 11,500rpm. This is pretty widely known common knowledge at this point. Go to R1-Forum and ask what's the first mod you should do on a 09+ R1. You'll get 10 responses of "ecu flash!".
 

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So I'm a liar? I can scan my bill of sale if you like. It was a leftover 2010 model in December of 2011. At that point, the 11's were already out, and the 12's were starting to hit dealer floors. Same way I buy all my new bikes.

If you're paying MSRP for a new sportbike, your shopping-fu is extraordinarily weak.
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So you're comparing a discounted leftover three-year-old Yamaha to MSRP on a 2013 BMW. Like I said, Making Shit Up (tm).

KeS
 

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So you're comparing a discounted leftover three-year-old Yamaha to MSRP on a 2013 BMW. Like I said, Making Shit Up (tm).

KeS
You do understand of course, with the exception of TC on the newer ones, the R1 is the same bike since 09...

Paying MSRP for a new R1 or buying a leftover identical bike for a huge discount?

Makes No Sense To Me (tm).


You say they can't be compared, but you're talking about paying 50% more for the BMW. The reason the reviews all dog the R1 is because of the power, but I'm saying that a simple mod can completely negate that issue. Yeah, the BMW still has the highest peak HP, but who cares? A) I spend a fairly small portion of my time riding a literbike around redline and B) its a significant difference in money.
 
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