[Coconut]

Okay first of all all here's a few disclaimers. Yes I am buying a 600cc Supersport as my first bike, and here's the real kicker you will all love, I'm buying BRAND NEW!

Before you explode with judgments,

(If you're not going to yell at me for wanting a 600cc, then go ahead and skip to the last paragraph)

Allow me to explain my reasoning. I have officially decided that I am either going to purchase a 2009 CBR600RR or a 2009 Suzuki GSXR 600. With that being said... Yes, I know that I'm going to die because I will grab too much throttle, and yes I know I am going to die because I am going to lock up my brakes. Someone with any sense would buy a Ninja 250. I know all this.

Now, let me explain my reasoning (or as you will most say "attempting to justify my stupid choice to make me feel better") Whatever you want to call it, here is my reasoning.

I am thoroughly convinced that while 600cc Super sports are in fact basically race bikes with mirrors and lights, that they are not a guarantee of death like some people make them out to be. I am convinced that no matter how peppy they are, no matter how touchy the brakes are, that they will in fact only go as fast as you make them. I understand that it is not impossible to accelerate in a reasonable manner, and that I will not instantly be going 100 miles an hour if I choose not to. I realize that the bike will respond to my inputs, and that if I drive it like a pussy, that the bike will drive like a pussy.


I realize that If I am stupid enough to drive like an asshole, that I can kill myself on a 250cc Ninja (From reading here I was almost convinced that the Ninja 250 is impossible to die on, seems to be the general consensus around here). I realize that a few people are probably going to quote me saying that I won't drive like an asshole, and then proceed to tell me that themselves,their brother,their friend, said the same thing and a week later was driving crazy and their 600cc murdered them in cold blood like they so often do to new riders stupid enough to buy them.


I know that I shouldn't buy brand new, but I really want to. I am 19 years old and busted my ass through 4 years of technical high school to become a welder. I did this for one reason, so I can have the job that I have now, and get paid 3 times what my friends make, and afford nice things. For example I drive a 2006 Audi A4. I love my car and I bought the entire thing myself.
I am not spoiled and my father will not be buying 1 inch of this bike for me. I work very hard and I'll be damned if I'm not gonna buy a shiny brand new bike. I'm going to drop it, I know. Oh well.




Now ironically with all that BS I just threw at all you, I only have one simple question . Since I'm not completely crazy, I do want to buy a GSXR or CBR for the simple reason that one has ABS, and the other has a ABC drive mode selector to limit engine power. In your guys (and gals) opinions, which would be more beneficial to a new rider? Peace of mind with the brakes not locking up, or with the throttle not being accidently jerked?

Thanks in advance.

 

[OldSchlPunk]

Your reasoning is severely flawed. You don't even know how much you don't know about bikes or riding.

Sure, in theory the bike only goes as fast as you think you're going to make it go. In reality, with your very limited experience, things will happen much faster than you expect. You have no idea how fast. When that happens, that new razors-edge 600SS bike will do exactly what you say, when you say it. Unfortunately it likely won't be the right thing and you'll be on your head before you can say "OH FUCK!". But don't pay attention to what others who have gone there before you have to say, we all know you are the exception.

I'm not going to say you're going to die. It can happen, even to experienced riders. What I will say is that you are going to increase the odds that you're going to wreck your nice new shiny rocket exponentially. Why? Just for fucking vanity?

It's your first bike, not your last. Learn to ride. That WILL happen much faster on the proper bike. Don't worry, they will still be making nice new shiny rockets next year. And if you're lucky, your dealer will have a leftover that you can pick up much cheaper.


And for your question. Neither. Learn to ride first. Those 2 items aren't there for newbies, they are to help experienced riders get the most out of their bikes.

 

[Coconut]

But don't pay attention to what others who have gone there before you have to say, we all know you are the exception.

You're correct, I'm attempting to become the first person in history to start on a 600 and not die. Nail on head.

Honestly, for every person who says not to start on a 600, there's a person who says to start on a 600. I'm not here to debate whether me getting a 600 or not is a good idea. I know the topic has been beaten to death (OR MAYBE it died because it bought a 600 race replica as its first bike)

 

[Jim Moore]

I am 19 years old and busted my ass through 4 years of technical high school to become a welder.

I have to say, that's pretty impressive. It shows maturity and discipline way beyond your years. So why are you being such a silly bitch about this bike?

 

[boner]

double check ebay, but i believe you will get more for the few undamaged honda bits when you scrap the bike

 

[teedubyaw]

You are worth nobodies time in trying to convince you other wise. You'll have to learn from your own mistakes.

Dipshit.

 

[Coconut]

I have to say, that's pretty impressive. It shows maturity and discipline way beyond your years. So why are you being such a silly bitch about this bike?

Well thank you, I do like to consider myself to be wise beyond my years (although I realize that that's just me judging myself)- most kids my age are idiots without any sense.


And I know that I am being a silly bitch about it, and I hate to rant like that. The only reason I did it is because I knew the kind of reaction that would most likely come out of me asking this sort of question (sure enough, every reply so far has done nothing but criticize my mistake-to-be) I have my mind set on a 600, even though it may be foolish to not listen to experienced riders, like I said earlier there is just as many people who say that with the right mindset and lack of recklessness, that WITHIN reason (e.g not 750, 1000cc), a big bike does not necessarily mean I made a bad decision. Riding ANY motorcycle comes with dangers if not used properly.

 

[Coconut]

You are worth nobodies time in trying to convince you other wise. You'll have to learn from your own mistakes.

Dipshit.

The EXACT reason I posted that whole spiel was so that people WOULDN'T waste their time trying to convince me otherwise.

Dipshit.

 

[Zenkodrai]

The EXACT reason I posted that whole spiel was so that people WOULDN'T waste their time trying to convince me otherwise.

Dipshit.

Then why do you waste your time here,with riders that don't think the same way as you,asking for advice on which bike you should buy?
Go to a forum with a generally less rational group of riders.
They'll tell you not to get ABS,Cause then you can't do stoppies.

 

[OldSchlPunk]

You're correct, I'm attempting to become the first person in history to start on a 600 and not die. Nail on head.

Honestly, for every person who says not to start on a 600, there's a person who says to start on a 600. I'm not here to debate whether me getting a 600 or not is a good idea. I know the topic has been beaten to death (OR MAYBE it died because it bought a 600 race replica as its first bike)

I didn't say that either. Sure there are a lot of guys out there that will massage your ego and say it's OK. They started on 600's also and lived, right? Is merely living to tell the tale the point though? I thought it was about learning how to ride, competently. That is done the quickest with the proper tools.

To put it another way, did your instructors in Tech School start you off welding with a TIG on stainless pressurized vessels? No. Why is that? Because you learn more faster going through the progression, that's why. Isn't that why you are the welder you are today? Had you started that way, you could have gotten lucky early on and gotten an acceptable weld, but the odds would have been stacked against you. Don't you agree?

You really aren't wise beyond your years and you are no better than anyone who started riding before you. You are just as hard-headed as all the other 18-21 year olds that come through here every year. Exact same attitude.

Do what the hell you want. Just don't come back here next month looking for sympathy when your nice new shiny rocket is all wadded up and insurance isn't going to cover what you owe or your hospital bills.

Do you know why so many here jump your shit about this? It's because we try to keep people from making the same mistakes we've made. Mistakes that were made because we were too stupid to listen to someone that actually knew better. Or worse yet, mistakes that were made because there wasn't anyone there to steer us in the right direction.

 

[OldSchlPunk]

Then why do you waste your time here,with riders that don't think the same way as you,asking for advice on which bike you should buy?
Go to a forum with a generally less rational group of riders.
They'll tell you not to get ABS,Cause then you can't do stoppies.

Yup. Gixxer.com or 600RR.net are where you want to be. Plenty of folks there to suck yer dick.

 

[LessPeople_MoreRobots]

Is merely living to tell the tale the point though? I thought it was about learning how to ride, competently. That is done the quickest with the proper tools.

To put it another way, did your instructors in Tech School start you off welding with a TIG on stainless pressurized vessels? No. Why is that? Because you learn more faster going through the progression, that's why.

+50

The other point to make: a mistake while learning to weld just ends up with some fucked up metal. A mistake learning to ride sportbike means a wadded up bike and a stay in the hospital. The stakes are a little different.

 

[LessPeople_MoreRobots]

To the OP, sorry, but you're an idiot. If you think you're the first person who ever thought they were the exception to the rule, you'd sadly mistaken. So to come in here and lecture everyone right off the bat just puts everyone in a bad mood.

You're right, for every person who tells you to start small, there's another person who tells you a a 600 SS is no problem.

The thing is, your statistics are skewed. You're taking a poll, but only polling the survivors. And not even survivors. You're polling the sportbike enthusiasts who spend their Sunday night of a holiday weekend on a sportbike forum. For every hardcore sportbike enthusiast on this website, there are 475,398,584 people who bought a bike and either died, wrecked, or got scared and sold it.

Can you start on a 600 and live? Sure. Is it smart? No. Statistically speaking, are you going to drop your first bike? Yep.

I don't care how much you don't want to drop it. Wanting to be able to do something doesn't mean you can do it. Wanting to play the guitar doesn't make you Hendrix. Sportbikes are like skiing. Doesn't matter who you are, or how badass the skis are that you buy. Everyone has to learn to ski before they can ski. Everyone.

 

[LessPeople_MoreRobots]

In your guys (and gals) opinions, which would be more beneficial to a new rider? Peace of mind with the brakes not locking up, or with the throttle not being accidently jerked?

You know whats even more beneficial? Actually gaining the skills required to ride a bike.


Even if you do decide to get a 600 SS, why buy a new one? Used bikes in VERY nice condition can be had for half of what a new one costs. You won't be so broken up when you drop it.

Besides, whether you know it or not, you have no idea what bikes you'll like a year from now. It only makes sense to throw down for a new one when you KNOW its exactly what you want.

 

[kneedeepinit]

You know so much and you've made up your mind that you have to have brand new 600, but you can't decide between ABC and ABS...


When pilots learn to fly, they generally start out light and small if they want to be long career life-long pilots.


So anyway, you've already made up your mind. Go with the ABS.

 

[LukeRochon]

most kids my age are idiots without any sense.

WOW. OH THE IRONY...

Frankly I think your a pussy. Get a god dam Hayabusa if you have any balls in your sack.

:bitchslap

 

[Coconut]

Okay I'll just buy a Ninja 250r so I'll live forever.



Everyone can stop yelling know, you've saved the day once again.

 

[LukeRochon]

Okay I'll just buy a Ninja 250r so I'll live forever.



Everyone can stop yelling know, you've saved the day once again.

Puss. Real men ride busas...

 

[vince_2149]

Don't get abs. You should learn to brake properly.
The ABC mode on the gsxrs was not put on there for beginners to use as a crutch to learn. It still has enough horsepower/torque in "C" mode to land you on the ground.

I talked to a guy who bought a 08 GSXR600 as a first bike. He had been riding a couple months and said that he was still accelerating at no more than half throttle because he was scared of it. I just laughed. I was going WOT in my first week of riding on my first 250. He spent $7k to ride like a tool. But boy did he looked cool :rolleyes

 

[Stick N Move]

Everyone here is being hard on you for a reason. I'll tell you what...if you answer my questions honestly then I will answer yours honestly. Why are you so opposed to starting on a 250, 500, 650? What drew you to those two bikes in the first place? How many of your friends ride 600's? Do you intend to pay in full for your bike? Can you really afford $10,000 on a bike? How about $2,500 a year for insurance? If give me some honest feedback then I will give you my opinion which is the better 2009 bike to buy.