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'We're all devastated': Americans killed in 747 crash mourned - World News

Jamie Brokaw was an experienced navigator who was no stranger to dangerous flying situations and had the skills to stay cool in the face of danger, according to close friend Chris Connerton.
"He was a very good person and very smart person," Connerton told The Associated Press by telephone from Rochester, Minn.
Brokaw, 33, of Monroe, Mich., was among seven Americans killed Monday when their National Air Cargo plane crashed near an Air Force base in Afghanistan. Six of the victims were from Michigan and a seventh was from Kentucky, said Shirley Kaufman, National Air Cargo vice president.
Connerton said Brokaw was a key reason he was able to make it through flight school in Jacksonville, Fla., where they met.
Connerton also described a harrowing flight two years ago from Toledo, Ohio, to an international flight expo in Lakeland, Fla. Connerton said ice had built up on the plane to the point that he could no longer get it to climb.
"If it wasn't for Jamie's navigation and know-how ... we wouldn't have made it," Connerton said.
Killed along with Brokaw in the Afghanistan crash were Gary Stockdale, 51, of Romulus, Mich.; pilots Brad Hasler, 34, of Trenton, Mich., and Jeremy Lipka, 37, of Brooklyn, Mich.; first officer Rinku Summan, 32, of Canton, Mich.; loadmaster Michael Sheets, 36, of Ypsilanti, Mich.; and maintenance crewman Timothy Garrett, 51, of Louisville, Ky.
Building model planes and working on real ones comprised Stockdale's passion, filling the family's basement with models in his youth, jumping into aviation as a career at age 16 — and later working at two Detroit-area airports.
Stockdale also knew the dangers of flying, his older brother said Tuesday.
"He always said it was dangerous," said Glenn Stockdale, 55. "He would always say, 'You either will die in a car crash or a ball of flame in a plane.'"

Lipka had flown in Iraq as well as Afghanistan and had close calls before, said his stepfather, Dave Buttman.
"There was risk there all the time. He knew the risks. He volunteered to take the trips," Buttman told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis. "Basically, you're taking your chances flying in there and he was just happy to be one of the pilots to do it."
The Dubai-bound Boeing 747-400 — operated by National Air Cargo — crashed just after takeoff Monday from Bagram Air Base around 11:20 a.m. local time, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a statement Tuesday.
The accident site is within the perimeter of Bagram Air Base.
The Taliban quickly claimed responsibility for downing the plane, but NATO said the claims were false and there was no sign of insurgent activity in the area at the time of the crash.
The Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation is leading the investigation. The NTSB is investigating the crash alongside the ministry. The team will be composed of three NTSB investigators, as well as representatives from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing, the NTSB said.
Kaufman said the plane — owned by National Airlines, an Orlando, Fla.-based subsidiary of National Air Cargo — was carrying vehicles and other cargo.
Elena Garrett, of Jeffersonville, Ind., just across the Ohio River from Louisville, said ex-husband Timothy Garrett would have turned 52 on Saturday. They have two daughters together, ages 11 and 12.
"We're all devastated," Elena Garrett said about his death. "We were still best friends. He's the best father I've ever seen (and) ready to help anybody. He would give the shirt off his back for anybody."
Bill Hasler said his family learned Monday morning that his brother, Brad, was one of the crash victims.
"Brad was a wonderful father to two young children, a beloved husband to a wife who is expecting another child, a loving son, and the most loyal and supportive brother I could have ever asked for," Bill Hasler said in a statement. "His influence in the lives of all of us who loved him is immeasurable, and our grief is indescribable."
National Airlines was based until recently at Michigan's Willow Run Airport, west of Detroit. It carries cargo both commercially and for the military, Kaufman said. She said the company employs about 225 people.
Summan had worked 2½ years for National Air Cargo, said his wife, Rajnit Summan.
Rajnit Summan said she last spoke to her husband Sunday.
"I told him to be safe," she said.
 

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First, if the guy continued into icing in a light aircraft he was a fool who got lucky. No one deals with ice if the airplane doesn't have the equipment to shed it.

The video of that crash is horrifying. I'll bet the cargo the aircraft was carrying shifted aft, forcing the tail down and the nose up until the aircraft entered an aerodynamic stall. I doubt there's anything the pilots could do about it. What the NTSB can figure out from the charred remains is a bit of a mystery to me.
 

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That's the main assumption as of now. That the vehicles broke lose and rolled back. I cant imagine what that'd be like, especially not being able to do a damn thing about it

Only thing I could think they'd really be looking for is if tie down points broke or if something else control surface wise broke.
 

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WTF is the guy in the ground vehicle doing???????? He's just driving around in circles!!! And did he run over a dog too??
 

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I doubt the black box made it. Damn... That was awful. As soon as the 747 came into view, they were beyond fucked. Poor bastards.
 

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My guy's are based in Bagram and were with Airfield Management at the time of the crash. Yesterday one of our FO's had to take over our flight as it departed Bagram because the Captain just about lost it. She knew some of the crew. What is being reported on the news is pretty close to events on the ground.

That video is terrible to watch. Those steep takeoff's and landings are always iffy to me. We had one of our aircraft take a few rounds about 10 weeks ago and it seems like after that point they went back to these more aggressive take off's/landings for commercial operators. Not sure how much of a contributor but the additional stress had to be quite large.

RIP to those who lost their lives.
 

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Something about Jet crashes that always make my stomach sink. Just seeing that huge piece of equipment in a fatal maneuver, and the sound of the engines going full bore as the pilots try their hardest to regain control.
It makes me sick to my stomach.. This put a damper on my day :-\
 

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Was sitting at home surfing the net when it happened. Video was horrifying then and now. I hope they felt nothing when it hit but those few seconds before must've been an eternity. May they rest peacefully.
 

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Was sitting at home surfing the net when it happened. Video was horrifying then and now. I hope they felt nothing when it hit but those few seconds before must've been an eternity. May they rest peacefully.
They did not suffer, they were dead in a blink of an eye.
 
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