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No I did not, they "quick flicked" just about the same as the Q2 but not as quick as BT003rs that I usually would use on the track.

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I'm leery of dunlops. every dunlop I've had was a POS. (that's a capital POS). I might as well had a wood tire. they slid in every condition you could ride in. it didn't matter if it was hot and dry they'd slide like they would in a cold rain.
I have the same opinion on Dunlop. I never purchased a set but all my bikes except the Kawasakis came with them. Hated them all. I prefer Bridgestone or Pirelli, The Michelins I had were OK, Road 2s, they lasted forever, but just didn't have the feel or grip of my trusty Bridgestone BT023s or Pirelli Angels.



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Getting an S20 front installed on my bike right now. But I run a BT 023 in the rear for mileage.
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I could tell a HUGE difference between Q2 and BT-016.

Oh, btw. Q3 teaser is out on youtube. Frickin' carbon fiber technology!

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I don't visit this site as often as I should but this thread caught my eye as it was timely.

Have been riding for many years, about 120,000 miles as of this writing.

My experience after 30,000 miles on my 07 CBR600RR (bought new in 2008) finds the S20 to be the best tire overall for me. I do almost exclusively weekend canyon carving with the CBR and ride a VFR during the week, for commuting and after-work canyon runs. I have some of the best canyon riding in the West right by my home.

Since 2008 on the CBR, I have run 3 sets of Dunlop Qualifiers (OEM and two sets of the aftermarket version), three sets of Michelin Power 2CT, two sets of Q2's and am now on my third set of S20's.

For perspective, my suspension is stock, professionally set up, and I am considered an aggressive rider.

In retrospect the Qualifiers were never good for me, after a couple of thousand miles they would acquire a "pyramid" shape, almost concave at the sides and when they got really warm, they got a "greasy" feel. Never had one step out on me, just a poor feel overall. Kind of soured me on Dunlops for a while.

Had better results with the 2CT's, but wear was rapid and they would acquire the same "pyramid" shape over time. Very uncertain feel after a couple thousand miles.

Then the Q2. Compared to what I had run previously the Q2's were a revolution. Sharp turn-in, good line holding, good feel from the front- but they wear on the rear was fairly rapid and the front had a similar wear issue as the others. With my second set, I had the bike step out of line in slightly damp conditions numerous times, a real confidence killer.

On the positive side the Q2's had plenty of lean left in them- I never touched the last 1/4" of the rear tire edges on either set.

When I got my first set of S20's the first thing I noticed was how smoothly and easily the bike turned in (opposite of the opinion that opened this thread). Wear was totally even and the front tire felt the same through it's entire useful lifespan. Same with the second set, extremely even wear and 90% of the original profile remained on the front after 3500 miles. Never any issue in wet weather.

I do use the ENTIRE side of the rear on these- but that's because my average cornering speeds are up to 10 mph faster than with the Q2's. For instance there is a particular 25 mph (suggested, not limited) S-curve on one of the more popular canyons in my area that normally yields a 60-65 mph traverse with the Q2's. 70-75 on this same S-curve is no problem with the S20.

My second set came off today and was replaced with a fresh set. I was amazed (as was my tire tech) when we saw that the tire balanced up with precisely the same weights on the same place on the wheel. Says something about Bridgestone consistency.

I really like the S20, and I think the Q3 will have to be very good indeed for me to go back to Dunlop.

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I don't visit this site as often as I should but this thread caught my eye as it was timely.

Have been riding for many years, about 120,000 miles as of this writing.

My experience after 30,000 miles on my 07 CBR600RR (bought new in 2008) finds the S20 to be the best tire overall for me. I do almost exclusively weekend canyon carving with the CBR and ride a VFR during the week, for commuting and after-work canyon runs. I have some of the best canyon riding in the West right by my home.

Since 2008 on the CBR, I have run 3 sets of Dunlop Qualifiers (OEM and two sets of the aftermarket version), three sets of Michelin Power 2CT, two sets of Q2's and am now on my third set of S20's.

For perspective, my suspension is stock, professionally set up, and I am considered an aggressive rider.

In retrospect the Qualifiers were never good for me, after a couple of thousand miles they would acquire a "pyramid" shape, almost concave at the sides and when they got really warm, they got a "greasy" feel. Never had one step out on me, just a poor feel overall. Kind of soured me on Dunlops for a while.

Had better results with the 2CT's, but wear was rapid and they would acquire the same "pyramid" shape over time. Very uncertain feel after a couple thousand miles.

Then the Q2. Compared to what I had run previously the Q2's were a revolution. Sharp turn-in, good line holding, good feel from the front- but they wear on the rear was fairly rapid and the front had a similar wear issue as the others. With my second set, I had the bike step out of line in slightly damp conditions numerous times, a real confidence killer.

On the positive side the Q2's had plenty of lean left in them- I never touched the last 1/4" of the rear tire edges on either set.

When I got my first set of S20's the first thing I noticed was how smoothly and easily the bike turned in (opposite of the opinion that opened this thread). Wear was totally even and the front tire felt the same through it's entire useful lifespan. Same with the second set, extremely even wear and 90% of the original profile remained on the front after 3500 miles. Never any issue in wet weather.

I do use the ENTIRE side of the rear on these- but that's because my average cornering speeds are up to 10 mph faster than with the Q2's. For instance there is a particular 25 mph (suggested, not limited) S-curve on one of the more popular canyons in my area that normally yields a 60-65 mph traverse with the Q2's. 70-75 on this same S-curve is no problem with the S20.

My second set came off today and was replaced with a fresh set. I was amazed (as was my tire tech) when we saw that the tire balanced up with precisely the same weights on the same place on the wheel. Says something about Bridgestone consistency.

I really like the S20, and I think the Q3 will have to be very good indeed for me to go back to Dunlop.
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I don't visit this site as often as I should but this thread caught my eye as it was timely.

Have been riding for many years, about 120,000 miles as of this writing.

My experience after 30,000 miles on my 07 CBR600RR (bought new in 2008) finds the S20 to be the best tire overall for me. I do almost exclusively weekend canyon carving with the CBR and ride a VFR during the week, for commuting and after-work canyon runs. I have some of the best canyon riding in the West right by my home.

Since 2008 on the CBR, I have run 3 sets of Dunlop Qualifiers (OEM and two sets of the aftermarket version), three sets of Michelin Power 2CT, two sets of Q2's and am now on my third set of S20's.

For perspective, my suspension is stock, professionally set up, and I am considered an aggressive rider.

In retrospect the Qualifiers were never good for me, after a couple of thousand miles they would acquire a "pyramid" shape, almost concave at the sides and when they got really warm, they got a "greasy" feel. Never had one step out on me, just a poor feel overall. Kind of soured me on Dunlops for a while.

Had better results with the 2CT's, but wear was rapid and they would acquire the same "pyramid" shape over time. Very uncertain feel after a couple thousand miles.

Then the Q2. Compared to what I had run previously the Q2's were a revolution. Sharp turn-in, good line holding, good feel from the front- but they wear on the rear was fairly rapid and the front had a similar wear issue as the others. With my second set, I had the bike step out of line in slightly damp conditions numerous times, a real confidence killer.

On the positive side the Q2's had plenty of lean left in them- I never touched the last 1/4" of the rear tire edges on either set.

When I got my first set of S20's the first thing I noticed was how smoothly and easily the bike turned in (opposite of the opinion that opened this thread). Wear was totally even and the front tire felt the same through it's entire useful lifespan. Same with the second set, extremely even wear and 90% of the original profile remained on the front after 3500 miles. Never any issue in wet weather.

I do use the ENTIRE side of the rear on these- but that's because my average cornering speeds are up to 10 mph faster than with the Q2's. For instance there is a particular 25 mph (suggested, not limited) S-curve on one of the more popular canyons in my area that normally yields a 60-65 mph traverse with the Q2's. 70-75 on this same S-curve is no problem with the S20.

My second set came off today and was replaced with a fresh set. I was amazed (as was my tire tech) when we saw that the tire balanced up with precisely the same weights on the same place on the wheel. Says something about Bridgestone consistency.

I really like the S20, and I think the Q3 will have to be very good indeed for me to go back to Dunlop.
I'm glad to see the turn in is an issue with my setup looks like and not the tire. That was one of my biggest peeves with this tire.

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Did a trackday in Fernley this past saturday. My S20 front was rock solid.



I was really impressed. It didn't squirm around at all, no pushing, held it's line etc. I was also able to trail brake pretty deep into a hairpin after a short straight.

My BT023 did great as well AFTER I set the correct PSI which worked out to be like 27/25 cold.

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really don't care for Q2's. The feel sucks, trail braking wants to stand straight up, I maybe got 1,500 miles from the rear and never do I feel a whole lot of confidence in them. I have an Ohlins on the rear and full racetech front end all setup precisely for me. I'm kinda shocked everyone seems to think they're great. then again I'm really partial to race take-offs. lol
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Did a trackday in Fernley this past saturday. My S20 front was rock solid.



I was really impressed. It didn't squirm around at all, no pushing, held it's line etc. I was also able to trail brake pretty deep into a hairpin after a short straight.

My BT023 did great as well AFTER I set the correct PSI which worked out to be like 27/25 cold.

This is the issue im having as well. I mean they are solid all day in rain,cold, hot, but im using all the tire to the edge. I know my Body postion is on point, as confirmed by video, pictures, and NESBA CRs. Im thinking the tires profile maybe the culprit. Anyone running this tire in high I group or low A group? Thinking of going with the Q3 just for the more pointy profile, more so for more tire edge. Its a shame, because i have ran quite a few sets of the S20s, and i love them. They may only be good up to a certain level.
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This is the issue im having as well. I mean they are solid all day in rain,cold, hot, but im using all the tire to the edge. I know my Body postion is on point, as confirmed by video, pictures, and NESBA CRs. Im thinking the tires profile maybe the culprit. Anyone running this tire in high I group or low A group? Thinking of going with the Q3 just for the more pointy profile, more so for more tire edge. Its a shame, because i have ran quite a few sets of the S20s, and i love them. They may only be good up to a certain level.
I would expect to use a front tire to the edge under trail braking.

My BT016 was very peaky when new and I used it to the edge on the street.

The S20 on the street still has a 1/4 inch strip after a spirited ride.
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i know this is a bridgestone thread and people seem to like the q3's but seriously try the supercorsa sp's they have a v2.
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i know this is a bridgestone thread and people seem to like the q3's but seriously try the supercorsa sp's they have a v2.
That's a race tire isn't it? We're talking about sport tires, big difference.

Looks like a front supercorsa sp v2 cost about double what I paid for my S20 front.
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That's a race tire isn't it? We're talking about sport tires, big difference.

Looks like a front supercorsa sp v2 cost about double what I paid for my S20 front.
its a street tire but its got the same profile as the pirelli race tires. i think its the closest you can get to a race tire without just going DOT. it is pricey but imo the best street track worthy tire out there right now. if you want a fast I or A pace street tire then try it out.

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That's a race tire isn't it? We're talking about sport tires, big difference.

Looks like a front supercorsa sp v2 cost about double what I paid for my S20 front.
Another reason why i like the S20. $220 for a set most times are hard to beat.

Also, can you expand on why the edge would be used up on trail? I just started playing with trailing in, would it be because you increase contact patch on lean with the brakes? I guess that would use the edge without increasing lean angle.
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