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post #121 of 128 (permalink) Old 05-30-2007, 02:52 PM
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The piece of "advice" that always bothered the crap out of me, has been mentioned several times in this thread, and millions of times on this board and other sportbike forums. It seems to usually be mentioned by new riders, like its an attempt to excuse themselves, and other noobs, for getting a bike that's out of their realm of control. That piece of "advice" is this:

"respect the bike and know your limits."
"the rider controls the throttle and makes it go fast, not the bike"

Hmm. Its one thing to respect the bike, but as a rider, you still need to input the motions into the bike in order to make it do anything. And how is a noob to know what level of "respect" certain bikes require? The bike is incapable of returning that respect. On top of that, once you learn to respect the throttle, the brakes will kick your ass, or the steering. The abilities of high performance sportbikes are just too far out of grasp of new riders.

Limits? How is a noob to know their limits? They're new!
And even if they eventually learned THEIR limits, the limits of a high performance sportbike is still way out of their control.

That leads me to the next statement, that the rider - not the bike, operates the throttle. First off, there's a lot more to riding than just operating the throttle. But when it comes to the rider controlling the throttle, that's the problem. A new rider HAS NO CONTROL of the throttle. At least not advanced control to keep the bike in their "comfort zone" or "within their limits". Its one thing to tell yourself that you're gonna respect the throttle and stay within your limits, and its another thing to be able to do it. Your "will power" to keep the bike within your control is not gonna make it happen. Its an acquired skill. The whole philosophy goes straight out the window anyway since its hard to ride these bikes slow, and easy to make them go fast (in a straight line). Trying to make these bikes go slow can put you on your ass just as easily as letting them go too fast.

Start with the right bike people! There's so many reasons why. And your future as a rider is depending on it.

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Ok, I just got a phone call from my friend........it was about one of my good friends. He recently went down on his 1000, he started big on an R1 raven and wore all his gear. Said it was a trial by fire and etc.......usual bravado. He wore all his gear 24/7 only the best of the best gear.

He was thrown of his bike (i dont know how or the details) but he landed in the woods, broke both legs and was laying there for 13hrs before someone found him and called for help. I know I'm on here counter arguing occasionally, about starting on a 600, but this really really hits home. Even though this happened on a 1000, it can still easily happen on a 600 with a new rider. After hearing about this I'm in complete agreement that no matter how much you say you are in control, maturity and "natural talent" you aren't ready for a 600 as your first bike. Until your reflexes naturally choose the right course of action due to training NEVER get an 600 or more as your first.

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The "I'm Special" and "The rules don't apply to me because I'm special" are still my favorite arguments.

Anyone have access to a wood shop? I want a cricket bat with the words, "How Does It Feel to be SPECIAL?" burned into the side.

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After always thinking about my decision...Being a "600 as first street bike, rider" I will say do not do it! it to me does not have anything to do with throttle, power, or speed as much. It is handling, just wait for that day when you are just going like 45mph and you come up on the narrow turn and realize half way through it your way to wide, and its to late to brake, then a car is coming from the other direction, and you are not good enough of a rider to counter out of either "problem" but you make it out somehow, and you say i wont let that happen again.....then it happens again the next week... thats how it will go if you do not know what you are doing, and eventually you drop it.... Sorry if this makes no sense, I am tired.

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I think this is worth keeping up on top for a while. Like all stickies, the thread is now closed.

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