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My suggestion is a 06-08 650r...but I'm biased a little.

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the 650r is faster off the line due to have more torque BUT the Fz6 is better in the higher rpms. around 7000 so if want that torque go with the 650r OR if you to fly past them down the road its the fz6 all the way.
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the 650r is faster off the line due to have more torque BUT the Fz6 is better in the higher rpms. around 7000 so if want that torque go with the 650r OR if you to fly past them down the road its the fz6 all the way.
only if you ride both bikes the same way. If you both start at idle with the clutch out, yes the Ninja will beat it off the line. However, if you launch the FZ while holding the revs at 8k and slip the clutch, the horsepower advantage should make the difference right from the start.

The ninja has more low end grunt, the FZ6 has more horsepower.

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how strudy is the clutch on the fz6 i heard with a good launch you can blow it out.
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how strudy is the clutch on the fz6 i heard with a good launch you can blow it out.
same clutch as a non-slipper clutch R6. Should be crazy durable. We have never changed a FZ6 clutch.

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Who races off the line anyway? It will hold its own on the twisties which is the only place that matters to me.

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My suggestion is a 06-08 650r...but I'm biased a little.
I kinda like 'em also. Good bang for the buck.

Krid, no offense intended but you are like any other person who is in the business in that you would defend/talk up whatever brand of bike you happen to sell.

The fact of the matter is that every major manufacturer of motorcycles makes a good product for the most part. Sure there are individual models that may have above average problems but every manufacturer from BMW to Yamaha experiences this. A little research can reveal which models have the most problems and all you have to do is avoid them.

Do some research and buy whatever appeals to you most. Make a list of potential bikes and check the insurance rates BEFORE you buy.

Either the FZ6 or the 650r would make a good bike to start with.

Considering your age (and I assume you aren't very large) I would look at the Ninja 250r. Insurance would be much cheaper and they hold their value VERY well.

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Krid, no offense intended but you are like any other person who is in the business in that you would defend/talk up whatever brand of bike you happen to sell. ......

.....Either the FZ6 or the 650r would make a good bike to start with.

Considering your age (and I assume you aren't very large) I would look at the Ninja 250r. Insurance would be much cheaper and they hold their value VERY well.
Dru I know you really don't know me very well. I am not all about the sale, all about what the dealership I work for sells, and driven only by what is gonna make me money.

I work for a Yamaha dealership because I have always loved Yamaha. We also sell Polaris, KTM and Victory. I think KTM's are crazy cool but would not recommend them to someone wanting Japanese style reliabilty. Victory motorcycles are nice and I would recommend them highly because they are insanely reliable but do have a higher maintenance cost than a Yamaha Star motorcycle.

Polaris is my downfall. I really don't like Polaris ATV's. Their quality is ok but in my opinion not on par with the Japanese. Their clutching system on their cvt automatic atv's is quite outdated and seriously sub-par. They do have their strong points: their ride quality and payload is second to none, and for a serious work horse (aside from the clutch) it is quite strong. That said, I would rank atv's in this order for my ownership preference:
1. Yamaha
2. Honda
3. Kawasaki
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5. Bombardier/CanAm
6. Polaris
7. Arctic Cat

So, Dru, no offense, but please don't discredit my statements based on a job I have. I will use my occupation to assist others but not to try to convince a buyer to buy "brand A" over "brand B" just because we sell "A" even if it is obviously the wrong choice.

All that aside, I agree with the last part of Dru's post. You will be happy with either the Kaw 650 or FZ6, but the Ninja 250 would probably be the best choice if you are inexperienced. And if you shop around for a used 250, you can usually buy one, ride it for a year, and make all your money back when you sell it.




EDIT: sorry, Glen just saw it was Dru

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Sorry Glen, if you saw my reply to Dru, I mistakenly thought I was replying to you. Dru, I know you don't know me well at all, but I am not all about "the man." I like what I like regardless where I work. (Actually, I work where I work because of what I like.)


Edit: Also, I don't sell bikes, I work in service.

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Dru I know you really don't know me very well. I am not all about the sale, all about what the dealership I work for sells, and driven only by what is gonna make me money.

I work for a Yamaha dealership because I have always loved Yamaha. We also sell Polaris, KTM and Victory. I think KTM's are crazy cool but would not recommend them to someone wanting Japanese style reliabilty. Victory motorcycles are nice and I would recommend them highly because they are insanely reliable but do have a higher maintenance cost than a Yamaha Star motorcycle.

Polaris is my downfall. I really don't like Polaris ATV's. Their quality is ok but in my opinion not on par with the Japanese. Their clutching system on their cvt automatic atv's is quite outdated and seriously sub-par. They do have their strong points: their ride quality and payload is second to none, and for a serious work horse (aside from the clutch) it is quite strong. That said, I would rank atv's in this order for my ownership preference:
1. Yamaha
2. Honda
3. Kawasaki
4. Suzuki
5. Bombardier/CanAm
6. Polaris
7. Arctic Cat

So, Dru, no offense, but please don't discredit my statements based on a job I have. I will use my occupation to assist others but not to try to convince a buyer to buy "brand A" over "brand B" just because we sell "A" even if it is obviously the wrong choice.

All that aside, I agree with the last part of Dru's post. You will be happy with either the Kaw 650 or FZ6, but the Ninja 250 would probably be the best choice if you are inexperienced. And if you shop around for a used 250, you can usually buy one, ride it for a year, and make all your money back when you sell it.




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Dirk, I was hoping you would clarify your position and you did so quite nicely. You are certainly the exception and not the norm and I believe you would agree with me.

The local BMW dealership in Cape would have you believe that there is no other motorcycle worth owning besides a BMW. I truly believe the owner/staff would have the same position if they were selling Ducati, Aprilia, or any other European boutique brand.

There are very few bikes that work well for a beginner and the Ninja 250 certainly ranks near the top of that short list. Reliable, cheap to operate, fairly quick and gets killer fuel mileage.

Check Craigslist as you can usually find a ton of them for sale.

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Wow didn't mean to open that can of worms. I was just throwing it out there that I think 650r is good too.

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all i have to say about the 250r is getting ready to sell it within a year, especially riding with these guys. Im not saying that pack ridiculously fast its just that 250r is just a starter bike. Dont expect to ride cross country on it, it doesn't like to ride above eighty. Doing the jump up to the slower 600 group would give you a bike that can handle long distances and also has decent power. Drur made it to and from north Carolina without problems, and krid also travel to multiple states with his fz6.
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Dirk, I was hoping you would clarify your position and you did so quite nicely. You are certainly the exception and not the norm and I believe you would agree with me.

The local BMW dealership in Cape would have you believe that there is no other motorcycle worth owning besides a BMW. I truly believe the owner/staff would have the same position if they were selling Ducati, Aprilia, or any other European boutique brand.

There are very few bikes that work well for a beginner and the Ninja 250 certainly ranks near the top of that short list. Reliable, cheap to operate, fairly quick and gets killer fuel mileage.

Check Craigslist as you can usually find a ton of them for sale.
I probably am the exception and not the norm, but then again, I always have been. I used to own a heavily modified (engine swapped, trans swapped, custom suspension) SATURN sedan. NOT NORMAL! LOL

As for Euro bikes, I would love to own a MV Augusta Brutale and an Aprilia Futura (no longer made) but I can't afford them. Likely I will own an FJR next because of their ridiculous reliabilty and range (both comfort and fuel capacity).




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all i have to say about the 250r is getting ready to sell it within a year, especially riding with these guys. Im not saying that pack ridiculously fast its just that 250r is just a starter bike. Dont expect to ride cross country on it, it doesn't like to ride above eighty. Doing the jump up to the slower 600 group would give you a bike that can handle long distances and also has decent power. Drur made it to and from north Carolina without problems, and krid also travel to multiple states with his fz6.
Very true. Since you already had a Chinabike200 Supersport you will likely be out riding the 250R fairly quickly especially if you ride behind Danny (Iroc). You will learn a whole lot real quick. It really depends on how much you plan on riding and if you wanna bother selling another bike.

So long as you respect a 600/650 non SS class bike, you should be just fine. The FZ6 is a kitten below 8,000 rpm where it starts transforming into a screamer.


Buddy, you don't need to apologize, If people thought I was that shallow, I am glad to be able to change their mind.

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all i have to say about the 250r is getting ready to sell it within a year, especially riding with these guys. Im not saying that pack ridiculously fast its just that 250r is just a starter bike. Dont expect to ride cross country on it, it doesn't like to ride above eighty. Doing the jump up to the slower 600 group would give you a bike that can handle long distances and also has decent power. Drur made it to and from north Carolina without problems, and krid also travel to multiple states with his fz6.
And TJ, none of those things are required when learning to ride a bike. Tiger is a teenager and needs experience, not a cross country tour.

Besides, there are folks who have done Iron Butt runs on a 250 so don't discredit the bike so easily.

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Well, I am pretty happy with our tax return and my bike will soon be back on the road. It needed a lot of small things, but in my current situation, it was just out of reach. New rear tire, chain and sprockets and some other stuff.

Anyway, it's in pieces at the moment but I'm excited. Dirk, it's in Nathan's garage now. It looks good naked.

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