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BST Carbon Fiber Rims - GB

Guys need to get 5 people so tell your friends and doens't have to be all same model of bike. IE 5 sets/ 5-fronts/5-rears

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around 3k-3100 shipped. Again if we don't get 5 this pricing won't happen.

for all you that don't know about bst rims. heres some info.

Extracts from the section
Frequently Asked Questions
about composite carbon fiber wheels
as taken from the official
BlackStone Tek website:


Frequently asked questions. . .
Here are some frequently asked questions and their answers from BlackStone Tek / BST.

1. What performance gains can I expect by upgrading to BST wheels?
2. How does Carbon Fibre compare with Magnesium and Aluminium alloys?
3. What do BST wheels include?
4. How much safer are Carbon Fibre wheels than standard wheels?
5. What are the physical properties of Prepreg Carbon Fibre that make it particularly suitable for wheels?
6. How much stronger are BST Carbon Fibre Wheels than conventional wheels?
7. Are BST wheels TUV approved?
8. How much lighter are BST wheels than standard wheels?
9. How long have BST wheels been in development?
10. What is the difference between wet lay-up and the Prepreg construction, as used in BST wheels?
11. How long do Carbon Fibre wheels last?
12. How much horsepower are BST rims rated for?


Q: What performance gains can I expect by upgrading to BST wheels?

A: In October 2002, UK sports bike magazine, SuperBike, performed an independent two-day test at Spain’s Almeria circuit. This was with the latest model Honda CBR900RR (954) FireBlade - which already has, as original equipment, the lightest standard wheels ever fitted to the FireBlade.

The bike was in a mild state of tune, representing a typical modified road/street/track day sports bike by having; race exhaust, Dynojet Power Commander, double-bubble screen, Sprint steering damper, a two teeth larger rear sprocket and upgraded brake pads.

The rider was already familiar with the circuit after having ridden there twice before. The first day’s testing took place with standard wheels and the only change for the second day was the substitution of BST wheels. Weather conditions were unchanged and the following was observed:

- Acceleration was noticeably stronger with the rider reporting “it felt as though it had gained ten horsepower”
- The bike could be braked later
- The bike could be turned more easily
- Top speed at the end of the main straight was increased by 5mph
- Lap times fell by a full 3 seconds – although the rider did report “pulling the pin out” as he felt very confident on the bike during the second day

These results are consistent with performance gains normally found by virtue of the combination of reduced unsprung weight and reduced rotational inertia provided by BST wheels. Even if a bike is not being used on a circuit, the same benefits of increased performance and rideability also apply to road/street use.


Q: How does Carbon Fibre compare with Magnesium and Aluminium alloys?

A: Wheels manufactured from metal are either cast, forged, machined, or manufactured as a combination of the three processes. Aluminium wheels have been around for many years. They are relatively easy to manufacture and also relatively cheap, but they are heavy because of the density to strength ratio of Aluminium (how much strength you get per kilogram of Aluminium). To improve the weight you can either choose a material that is lighter or one that is stronger, or one that is lighter and stronger. Using magnesium, which is lighter but not necessarily stronger, you can improve on weight slightly.

The problem with magnesium is two fold: first - its fatigue properties are poor and so are its corrosion properties, so a wheel may not last very long even if perfectly cast and machined. The second problem is worse - very often micro-porosity occurs during the casting process, which has a negative impact on both fatigue life and corrosion. So magnesium wheels can be nice and light but may not last very long, sometimes less than a racing season. This makes magnesium wheels good for racing but unattractive to the man in the street. The only solution is to find a lighter, stronger, fatigue free and corrosion free material - Carbon Fibre – which, as an engineering material is far superior to Magnesium or Aluminium alloys (see subsequent Q&A’s for its technical properties to confirm this).


Q: What do BST wheels include?

A: Wheels are supplied with:
- All internal bearings, spacers and seals pre-installed
- External spacers, where required
- Air valves
- Cush drive (rear double-sided wheels)
- Sprocket (rear double-sided wheels) where required
- Sprocket carrier (rear double-sided wheels) where required – additional wheels can be purchased without a sprocket carrier for race teams or track day users

The wheels are delivered so that the user can simply fit their tyres, discs and go.


Q: How much safer are Carbon Fibre wheels than standard wheels?

A: Carbon Fibre wheels have been in existence for some considerable time and have been proven to be safe when designed and manufactured properly and, as with any wheel, used within their design parameters. One of the parameters is the maximum static weight of the motorcycle for which the wheels are designed (BlackStone Tek wheels are designed for motorcycles that weigh up to 280kg dry) and have more than adequate strength and damage tolerance for any usage within a road/street, sport or race environment. Safety is dependant on more than just strength, though, and whenever a bike becomes more easily controllable because of better dynamic characteristics, active safety is enhanced too.


Q: What are the physical properties of Prepreg Carbon Fibre that make it particularly suitable for wheels?

A: Some of the properties of Carbon Fibre composites as used in BST wheels.
Material used - Carbon Fibre Prepreg in a woven and unidirectional format, embedded in a resin matrix, made from toughened epoxy.

- Max structural temperature: 120 degrees C
- Min structural temperature: -40 degrees C
- Corrosion resistance: Totally corrosion free
- Chemical resistance: Resistant to most dilutants such as acetone, benzene, thinners,
- Automotive fluid resistance: Limited resistance to brake fluids and acids
- Density: Approximately 1.7 kg/qdm (Aluminium 2.7, Titanium 4.5, Steel 7.9)
- Damage Tolerance: Similar to 2024 Aluminium
- Strength: Better than 2024 Aluminium
- Stiffness: Similar to 2024 Aluminium

Variable wall thicknesses can be created anywhere as needed in order to increase strength where required. Fibres are oriented in the direction of stress in order to increase strength.


Q: How much stronger are BST Carbon Fibre Wheels than conventional wheels?

A: BST Carbon Fibre wheels have undergone an intensive programme of very stringent testing to verify their design and to confirm their strength and durability.

A designated test body in the UK performed the following tests and all tests were conducted on a single prototype wheel.
It is important to note that performing a ‘single wheel test’ is not usual when checking metal wheels, since due to metal fatigue behaviour, a single wheel could not withstand all the tests. To allow for this weakness in metal wheels, the test regulations actually specify that using one new wheel for EACH AND EVERY test is permissible during which it is destroyed, whereas in this case a single BST wheel withstood ALL tests and was still completely serviceable afterwards.

- Cornering fatigue: 100,000 cycles at 530Nm
- Radial fatigue: 500,000 cycles at 5200Nm
- Torsional fatigue: 100,000 cycles at 400Nm
- Impact test: 337.5kg from 150mm (JWL)

The front wheel was designed for a 135kg static load and the rear wheel for a 145kg static load (this translates into a bike with a total dry weight of 280kg). Modern sports bikes normally weigh between 160-220kg and race bikes rarely exceed 170kg, so these static load design parameters comfortably exceed normal conditions.

The Eurotype Test Centre is currently testing the rear wheels where both the conventional and offset rears have been subjected to cornering fatigue testing in excess of 1,000,000 (one million) cycles at 590Nm.


Q: Are BST wheels TUV approved?

A: No, not yet, but only because the TUV at present does not have a satisfactory standard against which to test Carbon Fibre wheels. For example, TUV requires that a wheel shows a dent/deformation and that the metal should bend under impact load. Carbon Fibre does neither, therefore they cannot measure it.


Q: How much lighter are BST wheels than standard wheels?

A: Standard wheels are have become lighter in recent years anyway as bike manufacturers fight for magazine headlines and performance gains. However, it is still possible to make very significant weight savings. GSX-R1000 wheels have been used here as a typical example of a modern sports bike as it has wheels that are among the lightest. On older bikes, the weight savings with BST can even greater.

Weight Examples quoted here include bearings, spacers, seals, sprocket, cush drive, valves, but exclude. discs & tyres

Standard GSX-R1000 wheel weights
Front 4.360Kg
Rear 7.529Kg

BST with Aluminium Alloy hubs wheel weights
Front 2.380Kg – weight saving 1.980Kg / 45% lighter than standard)
Rear 4.638Kg – weight saving 2.891Kg / 38% lighter than standard)

Total weight saving 4.871Kg


Q: How long have BST wheels been in development?

A: One of BlackStone Tek’s design engineers, Chris Adrian, has been developing Carbon Fibre wheels for nine years, some of which have been used in GPs. This new BlackStone Tek range of wheels has been under development for over 2 years.


Q: What is the difference between wet lay-up and the Prepreg construction, as used in BST wheels?

A: In a wet lay-up manufacturing process, the fibres are positioned in the mould dry and the resin is applied with a brush. The resin is mixed by hand and inconsistencies can be found after mixing. This is a relatively inexpensive process, but the resulting part is normally heavier and the Fibres can distort during the lamination process meaning the process is less controlled. This method does not lend itself to the Autoclave process which cures the part under controlled heat and pressure.

In the Prepreg process used to manufacture BST wheels, the resin is applied by machine onto the Fibres in a thin film. Therefore, the resin is very even and controlled. The layers are laminated by hand but can be positioned much more accurately. The parts are then cured under a high pressure and temperature environment (Autoclaved). This results in a well-compacted laminate with better properties than with wet lay-up. Laminate properties in Prepreg Carbon Fibre can be 10%- 20% better than wet lay-up at a lower weight (because less resin is used to do the same job). This Prepreg and Autoclave process is perhaps more commonly known as the process used to manufacture the exceeding strong, but light, chassis centres (often known as ‘tubs’) for Formula 1 race cars.


Q: How long do Carbon Fibre wheels last?

A: Carbon Fibre wheels originally made nine years ago by BlackStone Tek’s design engineer, using earlier and less sophisticated technology, are still running today and there have been no problems with any of them. As Carbon Fibre is a fatigue-free material, their lifespan should exceed that for wheels manufactured from alternative materials. Note that the magnesium hubs on the full race wheels are the limiting factor, as the magnesium itself should be checked for integrity every 2 years.


Q: How much horsepower are BST rims rated for?

A: BST wheels are safe up to 1900Nm torque. BlackStone Tek uses the torque measurement rather than horsepower, as it is torque that is driving the wheel. If your bike generates more than 1900Nm of torque we would like to see it, as a standard 2002 GSX-R1000 normally tests at around 99Nm…

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Oh, jesus no, you had to tempt me, $3100 is an awesome deal. I have the money but I really don't need to be spending three grand on the bike right now. I'll watch this thread and if you get four I'll probably jump in as the 5th. Dammit Flatout, I sware you are the devil with all these deals you are always offering!

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Don't hold out Firefighter81, thats why theres cc , i'll get you a deal even if we don't get 5 hows that sound?

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F*** i LOVE those wheels. and I too cant afford them right now.

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yo yo how much for 04 gsxr 600?
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yo yo how much for 04 gsxr 600?
this are slick. (hope you haven't already got your 5 and done the deal)...
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give me a buzz if your interested i'll get you a smoking deal.
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BST Wheels...

Do you have your 5 yet? I would like to get in on the deal, although I'm in California. Can they drop ship directly?
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Do you have your 5 yet? I would like to get in on the deal, although I'm in California. Can they drop ship directly?
How does this work?
I'll give you the same deal without the 5, depending on your bike model. and yes they'll drop ship.
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Yes, Slava. You are indeed, the Devil.

Somebody lend me the $. I'm good for it.

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Those are sweeeeeet, but way out of my price range.

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Yes, Slava. You are indeed, the Devil.

Somebody lend me the $. I'm good for it.

Tell you what I'll cover the bst's for you, You cover my italian girlfriend parts cost. ala ducati

I'm feeling a bit lucky with some magnesium upper/lower tripples

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Tell you what I'll cover the bst's for you, You cover my italian girlfriend parts cost. ala ducati
Deal! Hidden clause: Only if said Ducati stays in garage, covered, bolted down and I hold the keys.

I really want those wheels for the RR.

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Deal! Hidden clause: Only if said Ducati stays in garage, covered, bolted down and I hold the keys.

I really want those wheels for the RR.
well i'll give you a key, you don't need one for my bike, just flip the switch and your off.

Hows the tiller holding up and you going to the 600rr.net track day?


Oh and since i'm the devil one more look at them on a rr:


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Hating you..

The TL is great. Taking it to D'sG in a few weeks.

No, I won't be going to Jennings. Beaver Run will be my last track day of the year.

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i ahev that same bike they are on i hate you i want some now!! how much for the 600rr
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