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post #46 of 150 (permalink) Old 02-22-2006, 03:05 PM
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you guys are fucked. Thats all I got to say. Id hate to live in a place where everyone is strapped all the time because they are scared of everyone else. Only people who carry around here are criminals and cops and the only reason you'd need one would be if you had "problems". No wonder the USA has such a high shooting rate.
I'm not scared. Quite the contrary, I am completely tranquil and at peace with my decision to defend myself. No worries, mate!


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The power is given to the states on CCW which I do not agree with. WA state says 60 dollars and finger prints, and SC says 8 hours safety course plus range time, VA no permit needed if you carry in the open. Some people shouldn't have a driver's license let alone a gun.
kneedragin, I agreed with you on everything up to this point. As a fellow law enforcement officer, I agree with the CCW concept completely. In fact, I feel that everyone that isn't legally barred from owning a firearm should carry. And know how to do so proficiently!

I do not like that the power is given to the states on this issue. It is an inherent right, not something to be given to us by government.

I would never compare the privilege of a driver's license to right of self defence.





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I'm from NY where only criminals are armed. If I tried to ride with one of my rifles slung over my shoulder, I wouldn't get very far. I'm amazed at other states allowing such freedom of firearms. You guys are lucky. I wish I could move out of NY, but my business is here.

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Law enforcement officers aside, why do you all feel the need to carry a weapon? Do you honestly fear for your life every time you leave the house? That must really suck living in fear all the time.

This isn't trying to start an argument, I just want to know the mentality of feeling the need to carry a gun.

WERD.. With guns come problems. I only "know" 1 person that has a weapon. Only reason he got it was for the intimidation factor, if he ever had to use it I think he'd shit himself first. Pussys use guns, Men use their fists..
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I would never compare the privilege of a driver's license to right of self defence.

I dont think a firearm that can take a life in an instant should be considered a "right". People seem to have been managing the self defence aspect since long before firearms came along. I know self defence or not, I wouldnt want to kill anyone, Id get more satisfaction of beating their head in with 2 hands then shooting someone.

Having said that, I suppose it's better to have one and not need it, then to need one and not have it.
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Oh yeah? If only it was that simplistic. Try bringing your fists to a gunfight.

My firearms have never caused anyone any problems.





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I dont think a firearm that can take a life in an instant should be considered a "right". People seem to have been managing the self defence aspect since long before firearms came along. I know self defence or not, I wouldnt want to kill anyone, Id get more satisfaction of beating their head in with 2 hands then shooting someone.

Having said that, I suppose it's better to have one and not need it, then to need one and not have it.
Well, it is a right. It is everyone's right. Some countries have just taken that right away from their citizens. Their is no 'satisfaction' gained from utilizing deadly force. Only the opportunity to live another day.





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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

I think allowing anyone and everyone to arm themselves is not a smart thing to do. And it explains why America's murder rate involving firearms is about 10-15x higher then any other country in the world.

As far as your fists to a gunfight comment, well, ya that is true.. but the average law abiding person would never be in that situation.
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In fact, I feel that everyone that isn't legally barred from owning a firearm should carry. And know how to do so proficiently!

Well, it is a right. It is everyone's right. Some countries have just taken that right away from their citizens. Their is no 'satisfaction' gained from utilizing deadly force. Only the opportunity to live another day.
That's a joke. It's only hotheads like you who expect such confrontation because idiots always find ways to get into shit with people.

Self defense also includes avoiding potentially dangerous situations and using words, thoughts, and appeals to "disarm" retards with guns.

Go find some stats, you're more likely to kill a family member by accident than an intruder with that gun of yours.

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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

I think allowing anyone and everyone to arm themselves is not a smart thing to do. And it explains why America's murder rate involving firearms is about 10-15x higher then any other country in the world.

As far as your fists to a gunfight comment, well, ya that is true.. but the average law abiding person would never be in that situation.
Thats because in many other countries, not all deaths by guns are listed as murder, many are listed as terrorist activites...
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i carry lawfully in 26 states because it is my right, 2nd ammendment. thank you, packing.org.

and guns dont kill people, people kill people.
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[QUOTE=BluFireF4]I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

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I think allowing anyone and everyone to arm themselves is not a smart thing to do. And it explains why America's murder rate involving firearms is about 10-15x higher then any other country in the world.
In countries which have lower gun murder rates then ours, there is usually a similarly lower rate of knife murders, and club murders, and unarmed murders, and any other sort of murder you can imagine. Unless the proximity of guns actually makes people more violent, and guns literally cause murders even when they're not used in the crime, I think it's pretty ridiculous to claim that our somewhat high murder rate is due to our lax gun laws. Also, we do not have the highest gun murder rate in the world, not even close.

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As far as your fists to a gunfight comment, well, ya that is true.. but the average law abiding person would never be in that situation.
Estimates on lawful defensive firearms usage range from 800,000 per year to 2.5 million per year. Apparently, the average law abiding citizen does find himself in such a situation quite often.

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Go find some stats, you're more likely to kill a family member by accident than an intruder with that gun of yours.
While all stats on the subject of firearms are at least a bit politicised, that particular gem is one of the more outrageous examples of poor methodology and biased researchers. I might suggest you review the history of the studies that support that statement, paying close attention to the number of times the results have been revised in response to criticism.
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Thats because in many other countries, not all deaths by guns are listed as murder, many are listed as terrorist activites...
Ya, that MUST be the reason.. eh? lol

Im just a Canadian though, so what do I know about it, my igloo is almost melted..
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I live in a state where gun violence is among one of the highest, and I still feel completely safe and secure leaving the house every day unarmed.

If you're not a law enforcement officer it seems to me that you're using a gun to compensate for your own insecurities, or for intimidation while hiding behind the "It's my right" blanket statement.

It would be extreamly hard to prove justifiable homicide or self defense while out on the road. It's not the same as a person invading your home. Simply having a gun puts you in the position to use it, where one might have not existed before.

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In countries which have lower gun murder rates then ours, there is usually a similarly lower rate of knife murders, and club murders, and unarmed murders, and any other sort of murder you can imagine. Unless the proximity of guns actually makes people more violent, and guns literally cause murders even when they're not used in the crime, I think it's pretty ridiculous to claim that our somewhat high murder rate is due to our lax gun laws. Also, we do not have the highest gun murder rate in the world, not even close.
If you pull a gun on someone in the heat of an arguement or streetfight, the chances of killing them is a whole lot higher than it would be in a streetfight with nothing but fists. The gun is the great equilizer, & it makes everyone feel like they are in-charge. More & more guns are making their way to Canada. Downtown Toronto Ontario, Jane St. & Finch has had many more shootings & gang violence in the last couple years than ever before... it is due to a massive influx of US guns sneaking their way over the border. All they can do is slow the flow at the border crossings, there is no way to eliminate the problem.

I do not have a right to bear arms, and for that I am glad...
I have to go through extensive background screening for a Firearms Aquisition Certificate, and even then it is illegal here to carry. If the registered firearm is being transported or stored within the home, it mustn't be loaded, ammunition is stored in a lockbox at one end of the house & the firearm at the other (is someone breaks in you must go get your gun, then go unlock the ammunition, so you could never get your gun in time...) In the car it must be locked up in the same fashion, & only transported between home & a gun club/shooting range.

Legally registered firearms are not a problem here, it is illegal firearms & gang violence for the most part, and even that is a small problem confined to specific areas.

The Second Amendment sucks ass, & I am glad I live in Canada. No offence, but concealed firearms by anyone other than police seems like a VERY bad idea to me.
It is like the cold war... Mutually assured destruction. There is just as much chance that another will kill you as you to kill them, so no-one pulls a gun
+1 on the fistfights rather than worrying about getting shot over something stupid.
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