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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old 09-26-2007, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
 
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To lower or not to lower front fork?

I went to the dealer a couple weeks ago to order my Vince's and the owner came out as I was leaving asking how the bike was bla bla bla. I told him it was too friggin' tall and that I had shaved the seat and would he mind turning my rear shock to 1.

After he was done he offered to "have the guys lower the front fork 1/2"' for me when I bring it in for it's 600 mile check up. Which is tomorrow morning. So, should I do that? He's doin it for free. I really dont want to raise my risk of a tank slapper - which is my 2nd biggest fear, 1st being hit by a cager. But I digress.

I can reach with one foot flat and one on the balls of my feet. I can park and back up and all that jazz but being closer to earth is appealing. I'm torn and I want to know what ya'll thought.

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Lower it and don't worry about the slapper...you've got a good amount of rake.

Raising the forks in the triples will give you quicker turn in and make it easier to stoppie (good or bad depending on your pref.). This will also move the weight bias more towards the front and give you the slightly lower ride you desire.

EDIT - so when do we get to see those pics you keep talking about?

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lower it...

the fact I've either lowered or raised any vehicle I've ever owned is in no way affecting my view... ...ok, yeah it is. but lower it anyway. You wont regret it. I did, however, regret lowering my rear to 1. After riding to work on 1, i immediately raised it back to 3. I wasn't to fond of the increased stiffness.

pic for reference... Ignore the clip-on but rather look at the fork on the right. its probably an inch or so.

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I lowered mine 1 1/2 inches with stiffer springs and installed clip ons. It was a positive change for me. It really makes the bike handle a little quicker on the turn in.
I did have one and only one "slapper" (if you can call it that) but it was really mild. It was one of those see how fast the bike can accelerate in second, the front wheel was light on the road, and I hit a bad bump. I don't think too many people have them and most of them are rider error. You really have to be riding hard and they are completely avoidable, so I wouldn't concern yourself about it. A half inch isn't going to change anything except make you more comfortable, so just lower it and ride. There are so many other things to worry about.
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I agree with lowering, I did it to my previous ride,a '98 cbr 600 and it turned much quicker and no ill effects at all.

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awesome. I'm doing it and totally stoked about it now.

Thanks a lot for the input.



And as far as the pictures go, MAYBE Friday. The photog is a little on the busy side for some odd reason. I'm dying to do the shoot but he's the hold up.

and moving my shock to 1 was not noticible to me...
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I agree, post the pics asap.

Oh, dunno about the forks, yea sure, lower it I guess.
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I would not recommend it but it's not my bike and you will do it anyway.
Remember when those racers suddenly flip over like a raging horse ? well it's what your exposed to since shit will probably happen when you brake like mad (you usually brake like mad when your life is in danger already), the front suspension will bottom, the rear will stretch(and they do a lot), then the rake will become negative, the handlebars will go to full lock to one side, this will induce a unrecoverable spin since your rear tire barely contact the ground, the bike will flip over and the hell happens then...
And I have the chance to warn you before.

Best is to maintain the original suspension geometry intact.
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...but being closer to earth is appealing.
Oh and yes, it will bring you closer to the ground

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changing the spring to a 1 only changes the preload, ie. softens the spring when weight is put on the bike - and from the looks of your avitar you probably don't compress the spring a whole lot even on a 1 setting. this does not change the actual height. i met a couple in the mts. and the girls husband had took the rear shock off and cut part of it off to lower the bike. i don't know of any lowering kit avaliable for our bikes. yes- lower the front by dropping the forks in the triple tree. but personally i wouldn't go much more than 30mm , you won't have any problem with head shakes.
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I'd suggest putting the preload back to it's proper setting for you and learning to be comfortable with the bike the way it is. Learn to one-foot it, it's something every rider should be able to do at all times. As far as backing up, there are two strategies: plan ahead so you either don't have to back up, or let gravity do the work for you; get off the bike and walk the bike back. It's not hard.

IMO changing the geometry for the sole reason of being able to put your other foot flat on the ground is a band aid for poor riding skills.

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I'd suggest putting the preload back to it's proper setting for you and learning to be comfortable with the bike the way it is. Learn to one-foot it, it's something every rider should be able to do at all times. As far as backing up, there are two strategies: plan ahead so you either don't have to back up, or let gravity do the work for you; get off the bike and walk the bike back. It's not hard.

IMO changing the geometry for the sole reason of being able to put your other foot flat on the ground is a band aid for poor riding skills.
+1... my bike felt tall for a bit. I'm only 5'6" and I can only keep one foot flat. In fact you look like you've got longer legs than me (still waiting for pics! ). So I say ride it for a while before you decide to lower it.

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Dropping the front forks considerably will also mean you will probably need a new sidestand or have it cut shorter.


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wow, 1/2 an inch doesn't make a huge difference, you guys are gonna scare her. 1 inch wouldn't even be too much of an issue. She doesn't look like a porker ,so I don't think with the stock springs she will have to worry about bottoming out.
You might want to get a lower rear shock, one of the guys on here (lilcurverider) here did this . It may be worth looking into since you can get an r6 shock cheap. If you lower both ends it will keep the bike very similar to stock.

Edit: Killernoodle, with mine lowered 1 1/2 in the front, the stock kickstand is fine.
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I would not recommend it but it's not my bike and you will do it anyway.
Remember when those racers suddenly flip over like a raging horse ? well it's what your exposed to since shit will probably happen when you brake like mad (you usually brake like mad when your life is in danger already), the front suspension will bottom, the rear will stretch(and they do a lot), then the rake will become negative, the handlebars will go to full lock to one side, this will induce a unrecoverable spin since your rear tire barely contact the ground, the bike will flip over and the hell happens then...
And I have the chance to warn you before.

Best is to maintain the original suspension geometry intact.
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Oh and yes, it will bring you closer to the ground
Pretty sure body position has more to do with flipping the bike over.

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I did have one and only one "slapper" (if you can call it that) but it was really mild. It was one of those see how fast the bike can accelerate in second, the front wheel was light on the road, and I hit a bad bump.
Hmm... now that you mention this I think I had the same thing happen. I never realized it was a tank slapper till reading what you wrote. I was accelerating in 1st a little hard, and the handle bars started shaking. I thought I went over some weird bumps and it was causing the front to shake, but I only recall the back going over one bump. Well at least we both got out of that unscathed.
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