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post #31 of 42 (permalink) Old 11-24-2012, 11:33 AM
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Photographer was a contributing factor, nothing more.

The rider, just like everyone else who rides, drives, walks, bicycles etc is responsible for their actions. This rider made numerous mistakes, one of which happened to be paying more attention to the camera than the road.

It is still solely the responsibility of the rider ! So in conclusion, still solely the bike riders fault for said crash. (just like 99% of motorcycle crashes are the riders fault)





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Photographer was a contributing factor, nothing more.

The rider, just like everyone else who rides, drives, walks, bicycles etc is responsible for their actions. This rider made numerous mistakes, one of which happened to be paying more attention to the camera than the road.

It is still solely the responsibility of the rider ! So in conclusion, still solely the bike riders fault for said crash. (just like 99% of motorcycle crashes are the riders fault)

If you are going to talk about bouncing boobs

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99% of motorcycle crashes are the riders fault? where did you come up with that figure lol.

Ive seen several accident, and a few the rider was just sitting at a stop light and a car or truck just runs them over. I would say alot of crashes are a riders fault but probably under 30%.

In my opinion the average motorcycle rider is a better driver then someone who does not own a motorcycle... so placing 99% of accidents motorcycle riders have to the fault of the rider seems pretty absurd.

I think statistically after the age of 25 most motorcyclist have either died already... or learned how to ride safely and responsibly.

**edit** Thought i would post some statistics disprove your 99% at fault theory.

"" In fact, during research conducted by the National Highway Safety Administration (NHTSA) during 2003, it was found that in all motorcycle accidents occurring between motorcyclists and cars, the motorcyclist was either not at fault or less at fault than the other driver 80 percent of the time. This statistic should clear up the misconception that all motorcyclists operate on the edge, seeking danger. The very opposite is true; most motorcyclists take advantage of defensive driving courses and other educational classes related to riding.

A frightening statistic from a 2000 study reveals how often car drivers are at fault in fatal motorcycle crashes. The study reports that in 2000 there were over 1,280 two-vehicle fatal crashes between motorcycles and other vehicles. Of these fatal collisions, the other vehicle was turning left while the motorcyclist was traveling straight in their lane or lawfully passing another vehicle 35 percent of the time. This is only one scenario demonstrating driver negligence killing a motorcyclist. ""

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Ohh ya, put a Hottie with big boobs and short skirt on the corner see what happens and yes you can create an accident by distraction.

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Here is a little fun fact, Every 13 minutes someone is killed in a car/motorcycle accident in the united states. It is VERY VERY easy to create an accident by distracting a driver. Besides drunk driving that's pretty much why accidents occur lol.

P.S. I am glad you liked my analogy, made it up myself lol.
He had a camera. He wasn't jumping up and down with "big boobs". Even if he was, a reasonable rider would not have crashed in the manner he did in the same situation.
How do I know that? Because there are quite a few photogs that station at the gap taking pics of litteraly hundreds if not thousands of riders and cagers per weekend. Do we hear about hundreds or thousands of crashes per weekend caused by distracted riders or photographers????? Hell no.

The 'cyclist took his hand off his machine to wave, which makes him negligent at the least, or criminally charged with dangerous operation at best.
Why would you pass blame from his negligence to the photographer?

And no, your analogy was retarded.


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This is a accident waiting to happen on so many levels lol



imagine hitting your favorite corner and you get a glimpse of these out of the corner of your eye...... LOL
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Regardless of whether you think photogs or anything else on the side of the road is a good idea, it is the rider's responsibility to control the vehicle.

Sure, from the wreck footage if appears he was fixated on the photog. Same thing would have likely happened if he saw a bear on the the side of the road. The rider chose to look away, so I still say he is the one to blame.

If he wanted a good pic, he should have slowed way down. To me it looks like he looked at the photog, blew his line and ended up in the Corvette's path.

Anyone wanna bet on what the LEOs take was for who was responsible?

I just hope the guy was ok. That looked pretty nasty.

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99% of motorcycle crashes are the riders fault? where did you come up with that figure lol.

Ive seen several accident, and a few the rider was just sitting at a stop light and a car or truck just runs them over. I would say alot of crashes are a riders fault but probably under 30%.

In my opinion the average motorcycle rider is a better driver then someone who does not own a motorcycle... so placing 99% of accidents motorcycle riders have to the fault of the rider seems pretty absurd.

I think statistically after the age of 25 most motorcyclist have either died already... or learned how to ride safely and responsibly.

**edit** Thought i would post some statistics disprove your 99% at fault theory.

"" In fact, during research conducted by the National Highway Safety Administration (NHTSA) during 2003, it was found that in all motorcycle accidents occurring between motorcyclists and cars, the motorcyclist was either not at fault or less at fault than the other driver 80 percent of the time. This statistic should clear up the misconception that all motorcyclists operate on the edge, seeking danger. The very opposite is true; most motorcyclists take advantage of defensive driving courses and other educational classes related to riding.

A frightening statistic from a 2000 study reveals how often car drivers are at fault in fatal motorcycle crashes. The study reports that in 2000 there were over 1,280 two-vehicle fatal crashes between motorcycles and other vehicles. Of these fatal collisions, the other vehicle was turning left while the motorcyclist was traveling straight in their lane or lawfully passing another vehicle 35 percent of the time. This is only one scenario demonstrating driver negligence killing a motorcyclist. ""


Your quoted stat sounds like an advertising campaign for the idiot riders of america association.....You know the people that want to shuck the blame unto others, rather than take responsibility for their actions. (you seem to be a card carrying member)

Besides statistically speaking the vast majority of motorcycle crashes are single vehicle accidents. You know where some dipweed drives it into the ditch, into the back of the car or some other similar crash. (oh sure many of these people shuck the blame and site some excuse......deer, had to avoid a car, gravel, oil, sand, the sun was in their eyes, a bee was in my helmet or whatthefuckever......they are excuses and that is all. Learn to ride and control your vehicle at all times.

Someone sitting at a light and getting rear ended or sideswiped happens how often? I would bet far less than 1% of all car/bike crashes~`plus you should have been paying attention to other traffic !

About the only crashes that truly are not the driver of the motorcycles fault....
A deer runs out of the woods and runs into you
A dog or soemthing else of some heft runs out between cars right in front of you
A car turns left immediately in front of you (or pulls out in front of you) both of which happen but far less frequently than single vehicle crashes of motorcycles- both of which are somewhat predictable too.....if you pay attention !
A vehicle crosses the centerline and runs you off the road........although had you been paying attention and looking far enough up the road you likely would have seen this coming and perhaps avoided it (unless they deliberately are aiming for you and how often does that really happen)

I have over 30 years of pulling bikes out of the ditch (likely have seen hundreds of crashes first hand and hundreds more moments later) and I bet I have only seen 3 times where it truly was "unavoidable" and not the riders fault...All 3 of those were deer hits. All the rest the rider crashed all on his/her own.


Stats can be used in any manner of ways to make your point, and either side can argue victory using the same stats with a different spin.....and this is almost always the case.

Hey I bowled a 210 the other night......what a great game
Hey I only bowled a 210 the other night, since there are 300 pins possible...that is only 70% of the pins...what a terrible "grade" !
Same number, same stat, spun differently....

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Your quoted stat sounds like an advertising campaign for the idiot riders of america association.....You know the people that want to shuck the blame unto others, rather than take responsibility for their actions. (you seem to be a card carrying member)

Besides statistically speaking the vast majority of motorcycle crashes are single vehicle accidents. You know where some dipweed drives it into the ditch, into the back of the car or some other similar crash. (oh sure many of these people shuck the blame and site some excuse......deer, had to avoid a car, gravel, oil, sand, the sun was in their eyes, a bee was in my helmet or whatthefuckever......they are excuses and that is all. Learn to ride and control your vehicle at all times.

Someone sitting at a light and getting rear ended or sideswiped happens how often? I would bet far less than 1% of all car/bike crashes~`plus you should have been paying attention to other traffic !

About the only crashes that truly are not the driver of the motorcycles fault....
A deer runs out of the woods and runs into you
A dog or soemthing else of some heft runs out between cars right in front of you
A car turns left immediately in front of you (or pulls out in front of you) both of which happen but far less frequently than single vehicle crashes of motorcycles- both of which are somewhat predictable too.....if you pay attention !
A vehicle crosses the centerline and runs you off the road........although had you been paying attention and looking far enough up the road you likely would have seen this coming and perhaps avoided it (unless they deliberately are aiming for you and how often does that really happen)

I have over 30 years of pulling bikes out of the ditch (likely have seen hundreds of crashes first hand and hundreds more moments later) and I bet I have only seen 3 times where it truly was "unavoidable" and not the riders fault...All 3 of those were deer hits. All the rest the rider crashed all on his/her own.


Stats can be used in any manner of ways to make your point, and either side can argue victory using the same stats with a different spin.....and this is almost always the case.

Hey I bowled a 210 the other night......what a great game
Hey I only bowled a 210 the other night, since there are 300 pins possible...that is only 70% of the pins...what a terrible "grade" !
Same number, same stat, spun differently....

You seem to be skirting around the fact most motorcyclist are better drivers than cagers. Ive gone into several ditches... of course i was on a dirtbike at the time LOL.
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You seem to be skirting around the fact most motorcyclist are better drivers than cagers. Ive gone into several ditches... of course i was on a dirtbike at the time LOL.
Are you a politician???


He DIRECTLY responded to your ill thought out and poorly back up post. Now you are saying your post is about 'motorcyclists are better drivers than cagers"?????

I'm of the opinion you're trying to be a shit disturber. Either that, or its "opposite day" and you are simply making shit up to say the opposite of what common sense would dictate.



Oh, but to address what you said above---on AVERAGE, I would say that motorcyclists are better "drivers" than people are who haven't ridden a bike.

But that only comes with experience. In my experience, an 18 year retard on an R1 is just as retarded as an 18 year old in a Civic.

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Are you a politician???


He DIRECTLY responded to your ill thought out and poorly back up post. Now you are saying your post is about 'motorcyclists are better drivers than cagers"?????

I'm of the opinion you're trying to be a shit disturber. Either that, or its "opposite day" and you are simply making shit up to say the opposite of what common sense would dictate.



Oh, but to address what you said above---on AVERAGE, I would say that motorcyclists are better "drivers" than people are who haven't ridden a bike.

But that only comes with experience. In my experience, an 18 year retard on an R1 is just as retarded as an 18 year old in a Civic.

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I was merely responding to his comment saying motorcycle accidents are 99% the riders fault. You got a problem with that? Well DO YA!!! Too bad!

I like how you use an 18 year old motorcyclist to prove some kind of point. Let me ask you something, what to do you think is the AVERAGE age of motorcyclist in america are, Under 25 or over 25? The exact number would be in the 40's.... point and case. Lol but hey don't let your campaign be dictated by "fact checkers" carry on.

I do agree with River though, the only time your not at fault is when a Deer jumps out infront of you.... but a car or minivan.... your totally at fault lol. People must travel on DeerBack where he lives. ROFLMAO.

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I was merely responding to his comment saying motorcycle accidents are 99% the riders fault. You got a problem with that? Well DO YA!!! Too bad!

I like how you use an 18 year old motorcyclist to prove some kind of point. Let me ask you something, what to do you think is the AVERAGE age of motorcyclist in america are, Under 25 or over 25? The exact number would be in the 40's.... point and case. Lol but hey don't let your campaign be dictated by "fact checkers" carry on.

I do agree with River though, the only time your not at fault is when a Deer jumps out infront of you.... but a car or minivan.... your totally at fault lol. People must travel on DeerBack where he lives. ROFLMAO.
You wholly fail at reading comprehension.

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Awww, I sowwy. I missed the part where we were talking about 18 year old kids with little to no experience..... must be my darn reading comprehension getting the better of me.
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I'm going to blame the photographer, sorry its not ridiculous at all.

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I do agree with River though, the only time your not at fault is when a Deer jumps out infront of you....
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