oil change problem

posite · 07-21-2007, 06:21 PM

So I went to change my oil as I have done on this particular model bike 5-6 times now... this is my switch to synthetic at 1500 miles and I was wrapping everything up and fired it up and had to burp it as usual. This time when I went to burp it very little oil at all is coming out from around the filter and in fact you can literally take the entire filter off while the bike is running and you will see little more than a very small stream of oil coming out of the bike. I had the bike warmed up decent before the oil change, it drained completely, I filled the new filter up and put it on just like I always do. Any ideas?

The bike has been tilted pretty much all the way to both sides and still no luck. Also tried removing the filler cap for a second and the oil sight glass is pretty much perfect... also the filter still appears to be almost full. bike is an 07 zzr600 with 1500 miles.

dubbs693 · 07-21-2007, 06:31 PM

I'd fill the filter up a little more and try it again..

Is the oil light still on and can you hear the valves chattering?

Had the same thing with mine on the last oil change, seems I didn't pre-fill the filter enough..

posite · 07-21-2007, 07:17 PM

yep valves are chattering and i just went and bought a kawasaki filter and drained all the oil and refilled and same thing with no luck... first time was with the bosch filter i've used on mine twice before and on my friends several times. there is still very little to no oil on the filter side of the pump

posite · 07-21-2007, 08:34 PM

It took a while but for anyone that is searching for a resolution to this, here is what i did.

As well as using the burping method... I propped the front of the bike up, i usually just use the kickstand, to attempt to fill up the space between the filter and pump with oil as on a level surface it seemed to be draining out. I filled the filter up once or twice doing this and when I fired it up it was good to go. Oil changes on this bike have never been this much of a pain since burping it usually is a very quick fix.

This may have been such a pain because since i was transitioning to synthetic i made sure every last drop of oil was out. Honestly I have no idea if propping the front up makes mechanical sense but it worked for me this time.

btw thanks for the post dubbs

zokalr13 · 07-22-2007, 12:47 AM

shouldnt you switch to synthetic oil after about 5000 miles? 1500 miles the motor hasnt even been worn-in...anyone else out there agree? or am i a non-engineer/dinosauripod?..

06_ZZR_600 · 07-22-2007, 01:08 AM

funny, I drain my oil, put on a dry filter, and it never has a problem. And my oil light goes off after like 2-3 seconds after I change oil.

dubbs693 · 07-22-2007, 02:03 AM

Mine has issues randomly, I always prefill the filter.. sometimes the oil light goes out right away, other times I have to fill it up more, Strange if you ask me...

UNDERTOW · 07-22-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 06_ZZR_600

funny, I drain my oil, put on a dry filter, and it never has a problem. And my oil light goes off after like 2-3 seconds after I change oil.

i do the same thing. i drain change filter then add oil. i have never put oil in my filter before i put the filter on. maybe that's you problem

dubbs693 · 07-22-2007, 12:45 PM

Well since my first oil change in which I had the same issue with a dry kawi filter... I then started pre-filling.. I seem to have more luck pre-filling then not..

daqq · 07-22-2007, 02:17 PM

The Service Manual makes no mention of pre-filling the oil filter. Anyone want to clue me in to why everyone is doing this?

Service manual says to drain the oil, remove the old filter and pour out the oil in the filter, put a small amount of oil on the new filter's gasket, put it on and torque to 19.5 ft-lb, and fill with 3.6L of SE, SF or SG class SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40, or 20W50.

daqq · 07-22-2007, 02:18 PM

ZX6R Service Manual says to add oil with dry filter. All it mentions is to put oil on the new filter's gasket.

posite · 07-22-2007, 03:49 PM

Eh either way I have done it both ways and always had the problem with this bike (prefilling and not prefilling the filter)... either way the fix is typically very quick when you expect it and surprisingly not too messy. I switched my old ex250 to synthetic at its first oil change at 200 miles with no problems however everyone has their own opinion so no one and I mean NO one will ever get a definite answer. I decided to wait until 1500 miles based on the info that turned up while i was researching but honestly everyone had their own opinion so I just did what I wanted to do

. It is working pretty well so far for whoever is curious.

sar1372 · 07-22-2007, 09:01 PM

i changed my oil yesterday and put synthetic in for the first time (2500 miles). I put a dry filter on and the oil light never came on at all.

daqq · 07-22-2007, 10:08 PM

I don't think a dry filter will ever hurt anything... but please make sure you are putting a little oil on the oil filter gasket (the, usually, orange ring on the side you screw on).

xZeler8 · 07-22-2007, 10:11 PM

first off, i think you're switching to synthetic too soon in the engine life...like was mentioned you want to wait until atleast 5-6k miles (20-30k on a car)...as far as the other question about prefilling the filter, the reason people do it (including myself) is to ensure that there is oil pressure (hence oil available) on that first start after draining the oil, as you can imagine running the engine without oil weilds havoc on a motor even if it's just a second or two (this is especially important in turbocharged applications because starving any amount of oil from turbos can be dissasterous to the life of the turbo(s), but the same principle is applied for NA motors)...