Learning theory, want advice on application

[volcom415]

So whats more hazardous...a so called expert ( doesnt mean anything) that is a moving pylon, or a novice that has some work to do on passing (whatever that may mean)

A pass is a pass you dont like it well tough....A block pass, stuffing, rubbing, getting pinched off, checking up...its all fair in racing and equally efective. You're objective is to get in front of everyone and win by abiding by the rulebook and in my opinion doing so safely and cleanly. As long as I dont get taken out which has happened to me, im cool with it....yeah the ones who usually suck at passing usually end up crashing though....most of the time by riding outside of their limit.

I think the issue is that you need to assure yourself as a self proclaimed used to be fast guy that you are somehow better than an "amateur" who is faster than you....

This is racing right? Someone faster is someone better... that is the end result.
Another rider shouldnt have made you crash that many times...you shouldve learned that he was a maverick or rogue type amateur and proceeded cautiously or tactfully.


but as this is a derail of the original post

I would once again recommend keith code or star motorcycle school...they are close to AZ and you can really learn a lot from them as they are trained to teach...not just fast as mike stated.


These are my opinions and if you "Don't like it or agree with what I have to say? Then don't read it or respond to it!"

[volcom415]

Originally Posted by GSXR RACER MIKE

Racing as a front runner is expensive, but if your not there yet then you can race economically. As an example if I go to Blackhawk Farms Raceway (BFR is my home track) and do the 'Racer Only Practice Day' on Friday before an event for $85, there are only 2 groups (Amateurs and Experts) and alternates between them the entire day (more track time than you'll get at a Track Day). If I then race on Saturday I can do the 2 morning practices for my class (generally each practice is the length of a sprint race - about 8 or 9 laps at BFR) and the GTO 25 minute long Endurance race in the afternoon. If I add up all the fees for those 2 days it would be about $190 ($85 for Friday practice, $75 for the GTO race, $30 for a 3-day gate pass good Fri-Sun). If I wanted to get alot of Track time (on my GSXR 750 which is considered a Heavy Weight classed bike) I could stay for all 3 days and add 5 more Sprint races ($50, $40, $40, $40, $40) for a grand total of $400 for 3 consecutive days on the track including 6 actual races.

For $400 you could have:
- all day alternating practice on Friday
- 2 practices / GTO Endurance race / Sprint race on Saturday
- 2 practices / 4 Sprint races on Sunday

After that much time 'at speed' on the track your going to probably be somewhat mentally drained - but in a good way. Something that is pretty cool is if your on the track on days that are back to back you'll probably find your faster right away the next day, it's amazing how a good nights sleep after being on the track can get you faster.

The other thing I've seen people do is take the New Racer Licensing School so they can buy an actual Race license and do the 'Racer Only' practices before events as an Amateur, then they only do limited actual races and all the Friday practices to gain track time. The ones that are serious look into renting a personal instructor for themself to work with them at a Friday practice (or split the cost between themself and a couple other racers and do small group instruction with a personal instructor). This is what I'm planning on in 2008 with a personal instructor/race set-up guru I know, have him work with me exclusively for a day on getting my bike set-up and refining my race lines to get me back into the lead group. While this may not be cheap the 'bang for the buck' ratio that brings about immediate good results is huge when you have exclusive 1 on 1 instruction with a knowledgable instructor.

whats the point of racing if you arent there to do your best?

Why spend the money to go through the motions...just do a trackday
Im there to win or improve on my times and if I dont have fresh rubber that is almost impossible to do.

Can I win in expert class, no, can I drop my times yes...but i have to be in the best state both physically and mentally as does my bike.

Why race if you are there to just survive and be in the back of the pack...?
I would rather not race that much and bring my "A" game when I do...

[SD40T-2]

Originally Posted by volcom415

well thats why its stupid to go straight into racing...if you become a trackday guy you can see where you are in relation to others just going your own pace....if thats what you care about. I did it cause my friends started riding the canyons and streets too fast and we wanted a safer environment to ride in....i.e the track. The great thing about trackday and riding on the track is you DONT HAVE to GO FAST!!!!!

You dont have to go fast or try to go fast to have fun. Some people just want to ride without having to worry about guardrails, double yellows, oncoming traffic, oil, debris, cars, or anything else to worry about.

Do you all just ride by yourselves?
Where are your riding buddies...? The ones that have your back and you grow up riding with?
Check your egos at the door and find some people to ride with that have the same mentality. Its so easy and you can help one another with riding...I helped my friends and have had friends help me by video taping and it has made the hugest difference in my riding.

Race when you can afford it and when you think you are ready...if you arent then you will soon learn you suck, if you are good then you will soon learn that you need to make more money

Well consider yourself blessed. I have ZERO (zip, zippo, nadda, "big-fat-goose-egg") friends outside of those I'v met through bike forums or the local club that ride anything on two wheels. For the most part those friends and family that I have who don't ride think I slipped a cog somewhere and have lost my mind to do what I was doing on the track this past summer. My parents didn't even come out to watch a track day.

One reoccurring issue that I've sensed is that of conflicting viewpoints. There are so many people out there that have a wide range of opinions on what "qualifies" a person "racer worthy". One person may want a rider that is consistent in lines and doesn't blow into the dirt as a result of a lousy pass by another rider. Another rider may want a rider who can keep consistent lap times. A third may want someone who twists their head in a perceived effort to "look through turns". These and endless other qualities are all marks that make a good rider but there's no standard that everyone can agree upon that qualifies someone a good racer.

For the record I've never attempted or entered a race. My experience is from doing track days and a couple of "club" day-long courses. The intimidation and "failure" factor (as I'll call it) started even before I did my first track day. I spent hours and hours reading about racing and riding and all the information was presented in such a way that is was assumed the reader already had some knowledge of MC racing and the day-to-day operations. As they say "ignorance is bliss" and my first track day was probably my best and most enjoyable; never to be equaled.

It's human nature to want to take things to the next level and I'm no different. Even though I only had one track day under me, I decided to take a club "Advanced Rider Training" course. Normally this would have been a wise decision but I decided to try it on a newly purchased race machine and (metaphorically speaking)branded myself with perpetual black eye. I also attempted to procure a race license and the orientation for this was a very miserable and discouraging few hours of my life. I was told that I wasn't "performing" to the satisfaction in which was expected.
Nowhere in anything that I read, anywhere, was there any sort of guideline, rule-of-thumb, suggestion or otherwise that would hint towards a good amount of track experience before one should attempt to begin racing. Likewise there wasn't any sort of requirements dictating a pass or fail criteria for obtaining a race license. It's all very subjective. It's the possibility of human emotions and their outcomes that have almost mandated multiple choice written examinations and numerical, quantitative skill/performance based exams when applying for government, civic or other official type licenses.

Granted, I made the error of not having anywhere near enough experience to begin racing but I think that could be said of some who hold race licenses. Again subjectivity is the rule rather than the exception.

If I recall correctly, the line I heard more than any other was "work on lines, stay consistent and smooth throttle and braking" (usually in the same breath). Problem is I would try and work on them and then someone would call me on something else. I felt like I was chasing phantoms; never really hitting the "apex" of all my weaknesses together. Since I would try and seek out advice, I got numorus versions of what I was doing and how "you did this and #$*!@ed up" type stuff. I felt and still feel like I was trying to fight a brush fire with a garden hose; putting out a fire in front of me while another started behind me. Some seasoned racers were better in giving me support than others with the majority being from the track day organization. But in any case I always got the impression that I was a nuisance in asking for advice and evaluations on my riding. Maybe its just me or maybe it's just the typical demeanor of the race community with no ill intended. In any case I felt like I nuisance.

I've become somewhat disenchanted with the track riding/racing avenue for various reasons. A lot of frustration is lies in the feeling of never being able to progress past the 'underachiever" status and earning one ounce of respect from my peers in the local race community and shedding the "wannabe" label. If I thought I had an one percent chance of actually "succeeding" then perhaps I wouldn't be so frustrated. I'll admit that some of it's how I perceive things but it's also how newcomers are or are not accepted into this sport.

Originally Posted by GSXR RACER MIKE

I also wanted to make it clear that the suggestions I'm giving are for someone who is PLANNING FROM THE START to go racing, I'm certainly not saying someone can't go racing and be successful after doing even 10 years of Track Days. I'm purely trying to show the other side of the coin that most new people will never hear about unless someone exposes them to it. It's up to each individual to make their own choices as to what route they want to go, but they should also evaluate along the way if they are achieving what they want, and if they're not what can they change to reach that goal? As I've heard before, "Insanity can be described as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". If what your doing isn't working then use that as a challenge for yourself to seek out and apply what does work!

I only wish that I knew what it was that I was trying to achieve. I seriously doubt that I would know it if I was achieving it. I doubt I would know what to change even if I did.

Ohh well until next time......

[malik ross]

Racing is not for everyone. Doing track days is not for everyone either. back when i started there wasn't a such thing as track days and if you wanted to get better you either took chances on the street or took chances on the racetrack. its not rocket science to figure out which was safer. track days give riders the opportunity to ride fast in a fairly safe environment. track days give you the opportunity to measure your improvement based on you own mental evaluations as opposed your ranking at the end of the race. if you really just want to ride and be able to work on things in your own head then track days may be for you. Sportbike Track Time - Get on the right track !! Toll Free #888-390-4020 is a good place to start. i prefer STT over Nesba for newer riders and newer track day riders due to the amount of structure their beginner program has, the class room time and the one on one attention. a lot of the basics that are covered in Twist2 they use in their schools. personally...i think they are the biggest bang for the buck. most of the other 'schools' cost a lot more money for less fun.

i wish i could have done a few track days before i started racing. not because i wanted to have been faster when i started but because i knew there were things i needed to work on mentally and mechanically that i wasn't able to work on while i was racing. really, racing is about racing...its about finishing ahead of as many people as possible and not getting yourself killed or taking someone else out. all good intentions went out the window once the flagged dropped. i read the books and wanted to work on them but as soon as i got on the track all i could think about was going faster and i really didn't care how i did it. i got faster, i learned how to pass and when to pass and when not to and when i needed to and when i didn't need to and how to push riders into making mistakes and how to mentally prepare to race and how to setup my bike and set up my pit and organize my week before the race and the weekend of the race and bike maintenance...

i didn't become a better rider until i stopped racing however.

if you decide to race I'd still advise doing a track day or two. it helps. don't listen to anyone who tells you that you aren't ready to race or you're not fast enough to race or blah blah blah. don't get discouraged by your lap times compared to the faster riders. don't think you have to be "X" fast before you start racing. a lot of riders say they don't want to race yet because they don't want to get in the faster riders way. really...they don't want to get in the slower riders way and can't admit it. the fast guys have passed plenty of riders over the course of their racing. they've passed guys faster than you, slower than you and at some point they were the slow guy. don't worry about them. get the basics down. learn to find reference points. learn to get the gas as as soon as possible. learn the basics of sport riding and you'll be fine. find a race weekend at a track near you and spend the weekend there just observing. get there early and do the track walk with the riders going through race school. watch the faster riders, look at their bikes in the pits and get a feeling for how preparedness carries over onto the race track. watch some of the slower riders and see if can find mistakes they make that you make as well. get a feel for the entire weekend of racing and decide if that is something you want to do.

[SD40T-2]

Originally Posted by malik ross

Racing is not for everyone. Doing track days is not for everyone either. back when i started there wasn't a such thing as track days and if you wanted to get better you either took chances on the street or took chances on the racetrack. its not rocket science to figure out which was safer. track days give riders the opportunity to ride fast in a fairly safe environment. track days give you the opportunity to measure your improvement based on you own mental evaluations as opposed your ranking at the end of the race. if you really just want to ride and be able to work on things in your own head then track days may be for you. Sportbike Track Time - Get on the right track !! Toll Free #888-390-4020 is a good place to start. i prefer STT over Nesba for newer riders and newer track day riders due to the amount of structure their beginner program has, the class room time and the one on one attention. a lot of the basics that are covered in Twist2 they use in their schools. personally...i think they are the biggest bang for the buck. most of the other 'schools' cost a lot more money for less fun.

i wish i could have done a few track days before i started racing. not because i wanted to have been faster when i started but because i knew there were things i needed to work on mentally and mechanically that i wasn't able to work on while i was racing. really, racing is about racing...its about finishing ahead of as many people as possible and not getting yourself killed or taking someone else out. all good intentions went out the window once the flagged dropped. i read the books and wanted to work on them but as soon as i got on the track all i could think about was going faster and i really didn't care how i did it. i got faster, i learned how to pass and when to pass and when not to and when i needed to and when i didn't need to and how to push riders into making mistakes and how to mentally prepare to race and how to setup my bike and set up my pit and organize my week before the race and the weekend of the race and bike maintenance...

i didn't become a better rider until i stopped racing however.

if you decide to race I'd still advise doing a track day or two. it helps. don't listen to anyone who tells you that you aren't ready to race or you're not fast enough to race or blah blah blah. don't get discouraged by your lap times compared to the faster riders. don't think you have to be "X" fast before you start racing. a lot of riders say they don't want to race yet because they don't want to get in the faster riders way. really...they don't want to get in the slower riders way and can't admit it. the fast guys have passed plenty of riders over the course of their racing. they've passed guys faster than you, slower than you and at some point they were the slow guy. don't worry about them. get the basics down. learn to find reference points. learn to get the gas as as soon as possible. learn the basics of sport riding and you'll be fine. find a race weekend at a track near you and spend the weekend there just observing. get there early and do the track walk with the riders going through race school. watch the faster riders, look at their bikes in the pits and get a feeling for how preparedness carries over onto the race track. watch some of the slower riders and see if can find mistakes they make that you make as well. get a feel for the entire weekend of racing and decide if that is something you want to do.

With all due respects and trying to sound as objective and sincere as pobbsile: I've already been down this road (both mentally and physically) a couple dozen times. I've watched others and done track days. That's why it's so frustrating. I've got enough pride to respect when others say they think I shouldn't be on the track racing. When it turns into cruel and careless comments (which happened to me as well) then the ego is highly sensitive and one becomes rather cautious/paranoid about image and perception. I don't care how it's interpreted, that's what happens.

Chances aren't good that I'll get on the bike again. This after spending thousands of dollars on equipment, training courses and track days. In the end I feel like I've failed for more reasons that just being told I'm not good enough or ready to race. It's a combination of things.....

Since I still have a deep concern for those that may end up trying to get on the track, I would encourage everyone to stop and asses what will make that person want to take the next step and the next and the next. This is supposed to be a fun activity and I would hope that someone can gain more from it than I have.

[volcom415]

Originally Posted by SD40T-2

With all due respects and trying to sound as objective and sincere as pobbsile: I've already been down this road (both mentally and physically) a couple dozen times. I've watched others and done track days. That's why it's so frustrating. I've got enough pride to respect when others say they think I shouldn't be on the track racing. When it turns into cruel and careless comments (which happened to me as well) then the ego is highly sensitive and one becomes rather cautious/paranoid about image and perception. I don't care how it's interpreted, that's what happens.

Chances aren't good that I'll get on the bike again. This after spending thousands of dollars on equipment, training courses and track days. In the end I feel like I've failed for more reasons that just being told I'm not good enough or ready to race. It's a combination of things.....

Since I still have a deep concern for those that may end up trying to get on the track, I would encourage everyone to stop and asses what will make that person want to take the next step and the next and the next. This is supposed to be a fun activity and I would hope that someone can gain more from it than I have.

man you are sensitive...

Bikes just arent for you it seems...

[spy]

Originally Posted by SD40T-2

With all due respects and trying to sound as objective and sincere as pobbsile: I've already been down this road (both mentally and physically) a couple dozen times. I've watched others and done track days. That's why it's so frustrating. I've got enough pride to respect when others say they think I shouldn't be on the track racing. When it turns into cruel and careless comments (which happened to me as well) then the ego is highly sensitive and one becomes rather cautious/paranoid about image and perception. I don't care how it's interpreted, that's what happens.

Chances aren't good that I'll get on the bike again. This after spending thousands of dollars on equipment, training courses and track days. In the end I feel like I've failed for more reasons that just being told I'm not good enough or ready to race. It's a combination of things.....

Since I still have a deep concern for those that may end up trying to get on the track, I would encourage everyone to stop and asses what will make that person want to take the next step and the next and the next. This is supposed to be a fun activity and I would hope that someone can gain more from it than I have.

Thinking too much....took away all the fun. That sucks. But who knows, maybe you just need to take a break...

[spy]

Personally, I just love the idea of being able to ride on a race track. Even if I never race, I'll still keep doing track days!

Volcom, you're lucky to have old friends that share the same interest in riding. Most of the friends I grew up with, think all bikes are ninjas. HAHA

[SD40T-2]

Originally Posted by volcom415

man you are sensitive...

Bikes just arent for you it seems...

Yeah, I know I'm too...

Originally Posted by spy

Thinking too much....took away all the fun. That sucks. But who knows, maybe you just need to take a break...

Originally Posted by spy

Personally, I just love the idea of being able to ride on a race track. Even if I never race, I'll still keep doing track days!

Volcom, you're lucky to have old friends that share the same interest in riding. Most of the friends I grew up with, think all bikes are ninjas. HAHA

Thank goodness I've got a plethora of other hobbies that I'm better at albeit on par as far as costs go... Who knows, maybe I'll get back on at some point. I just don't know right now.

Cheers......

[malik ross]

Originally Posted by SD40T-2

With all due respects and trying to sound as objective and sincere as pobbsile: I've already been down this road (both mentally and physically) a couple dozen times. I've watched others and done track days. That's why it's so frustrating. I've got enough pride to respect when others say they think I shouldn't be on the track racing. When it turns into cruel and careless comments (which happened to me as well) then the ego is highly sensitive and one becomes rather cautious/paranoid about image and perception. I don't care how it's interpreted, that's what happens.

Chances aren't good that I'll get on the bike again. This after spending thousands of dollars on equipment, training courses and track days. In the end I feel like I've failed for more reasons that just being told I'm not good enough or ready to race. It's a combination of things.....

Since I still have a deep concern for those that may end up trying to get on the track, I would encourage everyone to stop and asses what will make that person want to take the next step and the next and the next. This is supposed to be a fun activity and I would hope that someone can gain more from it than I have.

with all due respect i don't know what you are talking about. my post was in reference to the original poster. i do not know how my post pertains to you.

from what i can gather you're burned out. happens to most racers. happens to most people in any sport more or less. move on.

[malik ross]

Originally Posted by SD40T-2

What probably discourages me the most is how new people are accepted (or not) in this sport. I tend to leave people seething when I say this but the arrogance in general in this sport is beyond pathetic. Granted, there are some wonderful people who give of their time and talents but there are just enough arrogant @$$holes out there that ruin the good deeds and overshadow those who mean well. It may well be my own personality but this is not a sport where the overwhelming majority go out of their way to befriend the 'newbie' or help someone who may be substantially more 'green' than the status quo. I've tried to get to know people... Some are nice, I think some are nice to because it's polite thing to do and some are....well I'll leave it at that. But suffice to say, I've not found but a small handful of "really" friendly, outgoing "do-anything-for-you" type individuals in this sport. Information for the most part seems to follow the rule of "Secret Squirrel $h!t".... Attitudes being "I had to suffer the "initiation dues" so I'll be damed if I'm going to give it out unless it benefits me" type attitude.

Recalling from my memory banks, my pitiful performance on the track just doesn't seem to be a great boost for my ego (note highly sarcastic tone). I've posted here and on other boards about quitting almost to the point of ad infinitum but the nagging in the back of my mind keeps telling me that I'm not racer quality. That compounded with some things that others have told me; lack of support or any resemblance of genuine interest from family and friends; a history of bumbling through every new hobby or sport I attempt, leaves the feeling of being little more than a 'wanabe'.

Earlier this year I thought about investigating a track/racing school but I've lost interest in perusing that. Knowing that my performance has been meager at best up to this point I cant see any reason to spend that kind of money.


That would make me the happiest......

burn out compiled with frustration. not a good combination.

i was a fast street rider. as about as fast a street rider as i knew at the time i started racing. i had no track experience other than just being there and helping my friends the two years before. i had advantage that i knew when to get to the track, where to set up, when tech opened and all the little things that make things go smoother. i felt like a racer right off the bat, wasn't nervous, wasn't overly confident but didn't think i was that far off. through race school practice i was one of the fastest guys there but on the slowest bike. the mock race i got right to the front, followed a guy around on a 900ss until he crept away and all i could think about was how i was going to enter LWSB the next day and just kill people.

about that time Dave Doe came by me on his fzr400sb going into the carousel at BHF. he came past carrying more speed that i thought was possible and about 8 inches from me. i seriously thought some thing happened to my bike. i was shocked but being competitive i thought i'd take off after him. it wasn't even close. i thought to myself if that is what the fast experts are like and the fast amateurs are no slower i'm fucked. what the fuck am i doing out here? i still ran my races the next day, two sprint races, didn't get lapped and didn't come in last place.

racing for me was always about keeping my expectations in check. i knew this wasn't a sport like i was used to where i could just show up, no matter my equipment, and win. i knew this took mental preparation and a lot of money with no guarantee of success. i raced for one season and had i raced the following season probably would have had some measurable success but life get in the way sometimes. that was in 1993. 2007 was the next time i actually got to ride on a racetrack. i didn't have the money to keep racing after that one season and when i had th money to go racing again i asked myself, whats the point?

you might be in the same spot. all the money hasn't produced the results you were looking for. not just where you placed but the internal gains and this feeling like other racers don't want you around. it may be a perfect opportunity for you to look at what you expected to happen compared to what actually happened and re-assess you goals and expectations. i know Mike has a hell of a lot of experience but at this stage he's just looking at going out, not crashing, having a good time and beating the piss out of guys who have put far too much money into their campaigns. sick, but I see where he's coming from.

[OreoGaborio]

Holy crap, what's with all these epic novel long posts? You guys need to learn how to summarize! Don't you guys know "Teh Intarwebnetzles" is for people with short attention...

Ooh, a bunny!


What were we talking about?

Oh yeah...

Go to track day
Ride at track day
Make friends at track day
Hone your skills
Bake at 350 degrees
Rinse, repeat
Serve (race) when ready
Or not.

Do what works for you.

You can read about how I did it by clicking "My Resume" in my sig.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

What I like about this thread is opinions are coming from opposing view points, that gives those who read it an opportunity to consider things from both sides of the debate that they may not have thought about on their own.

I'm not sure if I missed it, but have you ever tried personal 1 on 1 instruction SD40T-2? A good instructor should be able to identify what you need to work on instead of ridiculing you and help you reach the next level in your progression. Maybe it's something in the basics of what your doing that's not correct or maybe like has already been said your putting too much stress on yourself?

[SD40T-2]

Originally Posted by malik ross

with all due respect i don't know what you are talking about. my post was in reference to the original poster. i do not know how my post pertains to you.

from what i can gather you're burned out. happens to most racers. happens to most people in any sport more or less. move on.

Originally Posted by malik ross

burn out compiled with frustration. not a good combination.............


.........you might be in the same spot. all the money hasn't produced the results you were looking for. not just where you placed but the internal gains and this feeling like other racers don't want you around. it may be a perfect opportunity for you to look at what you expected to happen compared to what actually happened and re-assess you goals and expectations. i know Mike has a hell of a lot of experience but at this stage he's just looking at going out, not crashing, having a good time and beating the piss out of guys who have put far too much money into their campaigns. sick, but I see where he's coming from.

malik,

Sorry dude. Didn't mean to ruffle the feathers. I thought you were replying to me. My bad.

You bring up good points though. My problem is that I don't know what my expectations should be. It's been eluded to that I was a "wee bit off my mark" last season but I'll be damned if I can figure out what my goals/expectations should realistically be. Perhaps the whole thing is turning into more of a psychological issue than anything and I'd be better off with a 'shrink' than badgering a internet bulletin board.

So I'll save everyone the hassle and say it my self: I guess I don't know what a good time is.....

Maybe that's why I've come to the conclusion I should seriously consider calling it quits.

Originally Posted by GSXR RACER MIKE

What I like about this thread is opinions are coming from opposing view points, that gives those who read it an opportunity to consider things from both sides of the debate that they may not have thought about on their own.

I'm not sure if I missed it, but have you ever tried personal 1 on 1 instruction SD40T-2? A good instructor should be able to identify what you need to work on instead of ridiculing you and help you reach the next level in your progression. Maybe it's something in the basics of what your doing that's not correct or maybe like has already been said your putting too much stress on yourself?

Mike,

Nope you didn't miss anything. I would have been all over 1-on-1 if there was anyone here locally that would do it. I live in Utah. Trying to find someone to do one-on-one with is near impossible. For the record, I've got two track school days and about eight or ten track days under me.

As far as putting too much stress on myself; welcome to my world. I've been told it many times but it's just something I've grown up with to the point I don't even notice I do it. When the only tool you have is a hammer; everything looks like a nail. When you've had lot of criticism and stress through your life; it becomes the only thing you know how to work with. Aging I know; I need a 'shrink'

Like I said, I'm nut job popcorn anyone?

The reason i posted in the first place was just to give a viewpoint of what I've been through and to recognize needs in new and aspiring racers and to help them so they don't suffer the same as I did. As is usually the case I failed at being precise and to-the-point in my words. Sorry.

Cheers all,

[RRRR6]

Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

Holy crap, what's with all these epic novel long posts? You guys need to learn how to summarize! Don't you guys know "Teh Intarwebnetzles" is for people with short attention...

Ooh, a bunny!


What were we talking about?

Oh yeah...

Go to track day
Ride at track day
Make friends at track day
Hone your skills
Bake at 350 degrees
Rinse, repeat
Serve (race) when ready
Or not.

Do what works for you.

You can read about how I did it by clicking "My Resume" in my sig.

+1
My adult ADD is kicking in.