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Old 09-10-2007, 06:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've got my suspension setup to what "feels" right to me. I can't compare it to anything as this is the first time I've actually adjusted anything.

The bike is a 01 SVS with a zx6rr rear shock (can't remember the year I got it a few years back) and I just put in .80 fork springs.

Sag is set correctly as far as I can tell.

Question is after my last few trackdays the tirewear has been equal both front and back. Approx the same amount of unused tire on both front and back (perportationaly equal) Does this mean that the suspension is setup well for my riding style? I know style can change tire wear, so if all the wear is equal in my unknowning eyes that seems to make sense..
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They can be related, but it's not an 'always correct' assumption. For example, Aaron Yates (who rides for the Michael Jordan Motorsports team) likes to ride 'on the front tire' of the bike, his front tire wear is usually pretty heavy from what commentators on TV have said. I too have a tendency to ride on the front tire, a couple months ago when I changed my tires the tire guy wouldn't even give me the front tire back as a 'take-off' because of how heavily I had abused it, he showed me how the entire tire was cracked all the way around the bead of the tire, he confirmed that was typical of somone who puts alot of corner load into the front of the bike. I got that way from growing up riding 3-Wheelers, if you didn't keep weight on the front tire in the turns it wanted to 'push' the front end alot of times and not turn.

In theory, if your suspension wasn't set correctly and you ride your bike biasing your weight unintentionally toward the front or the rear it could appear as though things were set correctly as far as tire wear goes. As you get faster you will also probably notice your tire wear may change, you may find you now have alot more front tire wear for example if you brake very deep into the turn and load the front end heavily. I always liked what Paul Thede (owner and originator of RaceTech Suspension) said when I took his 3 day long suspension seminar, he said "The best you've ridden, is the best you know". What he's saying is that there are probably far better suspension set-up's than you've ridden personally, but because you've never experienced them you don't know what a bike that's REALLY set-up feels like. He also said that the sign of a bike being set-up well is when you come back from a track session having no complaints about the handling of the bike while going as fast as you possibly can, the bike did anything you wanted it to do. Often times people don't realize they can't get past a hurdle while out on the track because their bike isn't allowing them to do something they want to do or isn't inspiring confidence in the bike being able to do it, so they mistakenly think it's something wrong with themself.

I would pay attention the next time your really pushing yourself out on your bike and ask yourself WHY are you not going faster? Is there something the bike is doing that isn't allowing you to turn for example, or does the steering feel vague or ? Knowing WHY your not going faster is a great tool in determining WHAT you need to do to take it to the next level.
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Hey Mike, not sure if you are reading his question right.

hoaxci5 are you saying that you have equal "chicken strips"? If so, there is nothing wrong with that. In my experiences, that to would put you into the front heavy type of rider....or you just have some really good form and don't need to use all of your back tire. When it comes to reading a tire for proper suspension settings, tire wear is important...but not the unused part of the tire. Unused I would say offers more of an insight to your ridding technique and form. If your tires are still fresh from the track, take a dead on straight up and down picture and also one from the side (that is close up to just a section of the tire, not the whole thing). From there someone can tell you more about what your suspension is doing wrong...if anything.
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http://www.jdryer.com/images/tires/

Those are as good as I could do.. I left them fullsize so be warned if you aren't on broadband.

What I was saying about the unused portion was that they were perportional. The front unused patch is slightly smaller than the rear unused patch. 120 front, and 160 rear. So the rear patch is slightly larger because the rear tire is larger.
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Can't see anything wrong with what you have going on there. Good work!
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Does the bubbling or whatever it is mean anything as far as pressure goes?

Again I think my suspension is right, I just don't really know. If everything appears good, then I can only blame it on my mental skills
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I'm not an expert on reading tire wear to determine suspension adjustements but the wear on the edges are because of tire profiles and how far you are leaning thats all.
if the front is a 120/70 you would have more unused tire left than the rear. but the front 120/70 can be worn to its edge if you go further over.
you have a bunch of leaning left to do.

you can buy a dvd by dave moss from catalyst reaction suspension and he talks about tire wear and what to look for etc.
http://www.feelthetrack.com/tire-wear.html
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