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Old 06-06-2006, 11:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a street riding question more than track. I figured thered be more knowledge in here to help me.
A little background info. Bike is a 2005 GSXR 750 with stock gearing 17/43. Normal riding I would take 90* turns in 2nd gear about 4-5000rpm. After installing a bolt on exhaust, my rpms are too low in 2nd gear to maintain the same corner speed as before and I have to drop down to 1st to get the rpms up. I hate downshifting all the way to first to make a turn since I get a lot of engine braking, and sometimes a little wheel hop. I'm thinking about going 1 tooth up on the rear sprocket to see if that helps any.
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It may not be enough; I doubt you would really notice a +1 change in the rear sprocket. Now a -1 in the front you would notice right off, or a +3 rear (about the same). The front will run you about $16, the rear about $45, depending on the brands you get. Both are fairly simple to change.
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Not wanting to go smaller on the front. Did that with my last bike, and didn't care for it. I didn't know if a +1 out back would change it all that much, but I didn't want to go too much bigger either since I don't want a wheelie bike. That thing pulls the front too much as it is over 8K.
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+1 in the back may also throw your wheelbase off a considerable amount. This could make your handling even worse unless you change the geometry of the bike to compensate. Check on that.

I had to go to a 15/44 from a stock 16/43 to keep my stock wheelbase figures. I still haven't installed the sprockets but I think I finally will get this done before Summit Main this weekend.
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Changing sprockets may throw your wheelbase off by about .5 inches at the most. I seriously doubt you would notice a difference in the handling because of that. If you do you need to be a professional motorcycle tester. I doubt anyone could tell that
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.5 is a considerable amount in wheelbase difference. This could be noticed by even the worst rider. Especially so, if the travel of the swingarm is limited and not permitted to use all of it's squat.
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Any shortening of a bikes wheelbase on most sportbikes will make the bike steer slower, contrary to what most people would think. The reason for this is the angle that the rear axle adjuster travels up the swingarm (it's not parallel to the ground like some rare bikes in the past had - for example Ducati had the adjusters level to the ground on some of it's bikes). Due to moving at this angle (as the axle moves forward) the back of the bike drops down, which in turn lessens the angle of the front forks. Steeper rake angle of the forks generally means faster turning with less top end stability, less rake angle means slower turning with more top end stability. This is the very reason that when I use to change gearing all the time I had 3 different drive chains all of different lengths, then I could mess with the wheelbase and geometry of the bike without changing sprockets or keep the same apx. gearing ratio with a different front and rear sprocket combo. Though a shorter wheelbase should supply quicker turning ability, it needs to maintain the original rake angle of the forks to do so, this can only be achieved (on bikes with angled axle adjusters) with a ride height adjuster of some type in the rear (in order to maintain the original ride height of the rear of the bike as the axle moves forward - or backwards for that matter). Some racers will mess with adjusting the triple clamp height on the forks to compensate for this, but that can change the central mass of the bike and reduce your ground clearance as well - it really isn't the correct way to compensate for a change that should be happening to the rear of the bike.

As an example of this my freind and I were racing at Barber in 2004 and he had an issue with one of his bikes not turning worth a darn. I asked him a number of questions about set-up differences between the 2 bikes and he basically said that everything between them was set the same, even the gearing. I ended up measuring the wheelbase of both bikes and found that the bike with the problems had a shorter wheelbase, which we found was from the chain being a link shorter. He cut a brand new chain he had so it would be a link longer than what was currently on the bike, reassembled, and measured the wheelbase to find it now matching the other bike - he thought for sure it wouldn't make any difference, but I assured him it probably would. After another practice session I could see the smile he had thru his visor, he said that he was instantly 3 seconds a lap faster and the bike went anywhere he wanted it to - he was blown away that such a minor thing made such a huge difference.

Many Pro race teams have triple clamps with adjustable triple clamps to change rake angle, the changes they make are often times only .5mm, 1mm, or 2mm (3mm = apx. 1/8"). Rake angle is very sensitive to any sportbikes handling, don't discount how much of a change even small amounts can make to your bikes handling!
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