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Old 06-30-2007, 08:17 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Come to think of it, a lap timer might even be good at the novice level...

When you get a good technique down, which isn't hard and is slightly open to each individual rider, (within reason of course)...then it might help confirm that you are indeed running consistent laps, even if slower than usual.

Then once you have consistency down...you can look for the little things that improve your lap times.

I need to drag a knee first personally.
I don't know if a lap timer would be that useful the first few times you go. It puts added pressure on you (whether you want to admit it or not) to go faster than you might be ready for. And in trying to go faster just to see your times drop, you could pick up some bad habits or worse.

You need to work on being smooth first. Learn the lines, body position, how to ride your bike on a track properly. Once you do that, you'll be in a position to understand how the changes you make to improve your riding affect your lap times.

That's my take on it. Maybe the experienced guys have something more to add, or will disagree. But I don't think a lap timer would have been helpful for me the first few times I went. And I didn't get one until my 7th track day.

As far as dragging your knee, well, we all know how I feel about that.
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I don't know if a lap timer would be that useful the first few times you go. It puts added pressure on you (whether you want to admit it or not) to go faster than you might be ready for. And in trying to go faster just to see your times drop, you could pick up some bad habits or worse.

You need to work on being smooth first. Learn the lines, body position, how to ride your bike on a track properly. Once you do that, you'll be in a position to understand how the changes you make to improve your riding affect your lap times.


That's my take on it. Maybe the experienced guys have something more to add, or will disagree. But I don't think a lap timer would have been helpful for me the first few times I went. And I didn't get one until my 7th track day.

As far as dragging your knee, well, we all know how I feel about that.
You are probably right...

It's like learning arpeggio shapes...you start out slowly and deliberately and build speed from a good foundation in fingering.

Like an A Minor arp...(arp= arpeggio) *Notes in ( ) are optional...for feel.*
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7 Track Days huh....
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And hey...that calls for a little music...

Shaman clip from the fingers of BMG

All music copyright of BMG...except the drums...which were some old loop scrounged from the internet.
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You are probably right...

It's like learning arpeggio shapes...you start out slowly and deliberately and build speed from a good foundation in fingering.

Like an A Minor arp...(arp= arpeggio) *Notes in ( ) are optional...for feel.*
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7 Track Days huh....

That was cool... and yes, you could compare track riding to that. Or, you could say it's like a dance. There are common steps that everyone must learn, but then you develop your own unique style to some parts of it.

I hit 7 last January. Now sitting at 12. And impatiently waiting for my finances to recover so I can go again.
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That was cool... and yes, you could compare track riding to that. Or, you could say it's like a dance. There are common steps that everyone must learn, but then you develop your own unique style to some parts of it.

I hit 7 last January. Now sitting at 12. And impatiently waiting for my finances to recover so I can go again.
I'm going today to take a look at my Opps Carbon Fiber Race Tail that came in...see if I can't get it going...and get rid of that terrible cowl air-what-the-heck sold me...

Meanwhile, I'll pick up a new, better fitting jacket...one I had on at last track day was so baggy. Bought 7 months and 50 pounds ago...

Need some knee pucks too...the ones that go on the side of the knee...not the front..
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Hmm... and what kind of knee pucks are these?


Post some pics of the race tail when you get it on.
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Hmm... and what kind of knee pucks are these?


Post some pics of the race tail when you get it on.
Race Tail I got...1/8 th done...

Still need to install a rear brake light...I rode 50 miles home...no rear light...doing the old inverted L stop signal and hoping no cop pulled behind me...

No one did...

I also need to put some dense foam on the seat...clean up somethings..

Anyway...here is the new tail section...
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Fixing the foam and light tomorrow...
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Man...late...just got back a bit ago watching my son's band perform at a club in the Stockyard's...Fort Worth.

Anyhoo...

I like a bike that has race decals on it...product stuff...

Also, I plan on some kind of paint job...removing the stock decals...something...
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Looks pretty good. You are going to use foam for the seat? Wow, that will be uncomfortable. No long rides for you.
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Looks pretty good. You are going to use foam for the seat? Wow, that will be uncomfortable. No long rides for you.
Hehe...it ain't a sport bike if it's comfortable.

Just riding on the new tail section and loosely setting foam for 50 miles yesterday...makes me sit more forward...but also my butt back a bit...putting more weight on my wrists...like I like...really...

The stock position...I felt like I was riding a standard with a bodywork kit on it.

The closer I get this thing to a truly uncomfortable track only machine...the happier I'll be.

Nothing is more annoying than to see a cup holder and sacrificed performance simply because it's more comfy.

Going fast ain't about being comfy...it's about...going fast.
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Hmmph.

I can ride for 6 hours & more and still be able to walk afterwards. My bike is pretty comfy. But to each their own. ;)

You really shouldn't be putting a lot of weight on your wrists though (not sure how much you meant by "more"). You should be supporting yourself with your legs and lower back.
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Hmmph.

I can ride for 6 hours & more and still be able to walk afterwards. My bike is pretty comfy. But to each their own. ;)

You really shouldn't be putting a lot of weight on your wrists though (not sure how much you meant by "more"). You should be supporting yourself with your legs and lower back.
I didn't explain myself very well...

I like to lean forward as I ride a bike, but mostly my ams and hands are barely touching the bars...my mid-section, chest...and thighs and legs give the light feeling at the bars.

What I don't like is climbing onto sport bike....and it feels as though if you stripped of the body work...you'd have a sitting straight up standard.

A sport bike, rider, attitude, and design of the bike...should...imo...make
the rider feel like an animal...say...a Cheetah...or a leopard..etting ready to sprint...haunches raised...claws out..paws relaxed...certain that a meal is on the way.

I know that is a bit...dramatized...and cheesy...

But if anyone...no matter who they are thinks that racing...running at high speeds...doing a track day..with the idea to get better...and get faster...has not one hint of aggression, they need to play ping pong.....

within reason...

but there is a sense of wanting to be better...

the predator not the prey...

To be on edge...a controlled and planned edge...but an edge...
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I understand. I rode that bike back in the mid 90's and I remember it being pretty comfortable for a sportbike, esp for one of that time.

So, this race tail changes your body position that much?
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