just learned to wheelie, got a question

[Xarmyboi187]

well, just to start out, im riding a 06 kawi 500R full exhaust, jet kit, -1tooth in the frount sprocket. and all trys were me regular seated, no stand up, no feet on passenger pegs

well, ive read, and read, and read through here, but never tryed to cluch it up, becase when i try to power it, id say 1 out of 15 trys it will come up half decent.
and i figured "if it cant power up easy in first, how the hell is it gonna pop up?"
well, lastnight after the gym, i was in a good mood becase i had a good workout.

im leaving the gym, and said what the hell, i was in first, going at 4.5rpm (my speedo is out of order right now, so no clue how fast i was going, prob 10-15)

let off the throttle, pulled in the cluch, let it rev up (some where around 7-8.5) and let out, not even let go of it, just let it out kinda quick, and BOOM, frount end shoots up farther then ive ever powered it up.

had a crowd of 16yr olds on the side walk screaming there heads off at me to do it again , but i was so amazed....shocked.....and a lil shook up, i just rode home.

before i got home, i decided to try agian, found my lil back road i fuck around on, and did about a dozen pass's.

id say i popped about 20-25 wheelies, and only messed up like twice where it only came up a tiny bit.


sry so long, but heres the question.

out of all the trys, if i got the rpms to say 5-6rpm, then reved it, then let it out, it dident want to come up to hard? ie, i need to be under 5 before pulling in the cluch and reving it, then leting the cluch out.
BUT i dident rev it over 9rpm id say, why you ask?
well, one of the trys, i dident let the throttle off when i pulled in the cluch, AND i reved it a lil (guess my brain forgot the let off the throttle part)

well, it did rev father, no clue where (kawi 500 redlines at 11.5rpm)
i must have been almost at 12, becase all i saw was powerlines, and i felt my ass slide way back, and my feet almost slip off the pegs.


so why doesnt it want to pop up unless im down under 5rpm before i pull in the cluch?
when hauling ass the power comes in at 7rpm.....so i dont get it.
im going So0o0o slow when im under 5rpm, and i have no clue how fast im going while im up.



ps, i only held out 2 of the weelies, one was like 15feet, and one had to be like 30-35feet,k thats where i think it reved out and fell back down......HARD.


pss, after you pop the cluch, and the frount comes up, is it BAD to go full throttle? i dident, becase i was afraid it would 360 on me, i just kept it where ever it was at, and it would stay up longer (it was coming up so fast, i think i was letting off the throttle from the jump)


WOW SORRY so long

thx for any help/advice
Robert

[apfire26]

Just keep practising like you are. Don't push it to hard, to fast.
I'm not familiar with your bike at all, so I can't help you with your rpm question.
All I can say is.....if its not coming up, you need to rev it up more before you let the clutch out. It may just be your lacking a little power in that 500.

[JGuthrie]

Could the RPM thing be related to a torque powerband? I hear that bikes rev and hit burst points of power but some of the lower RPM bikes have a "bore"(?) displacement which replaces HP with torque usually referred to as low end. Maybe when you are above 5k, you have HP but the torque is going or gone...

Just a guess.

[muddin4412]

hey man i have a 2000 kawi ninja 500 i wanna try to learn a wheelie but the bike is so engine heavy in the front when you come down does it bottom out or scrap? and how much did it cost you to for the new full exhaust and jet kit because i want a new one but im lookin at over 600 bucks for it because installation of the jet kit did you do it yourself if so can u let me no if it was hard? thanks dude

[halliwood]

when you didn't let off the gas its called slipping the clutch, try to do it that way instend of dumping the clutch (i.e. letting off the gas then pulling the clutch and revving) as for the RPM's you'll want to stay under 5, if its to slow for you it'll still come up in 2nd gear, but you shouldn't be watching your tach, just go practice and look in front of you, and learn to do it by ear, it'll help a lot later on.

[Xarmyboi187]

look like i got more questions then help lol, but thats cool

umm, apfire, i agree, ive been playing around with it in the SAFE zone, lol, dident just run out there and redline it then dump it, like ive seen ppl do, so i take it just a lil further, and further.

jguthrie, i agree, the 500 is a 2cylinder bike, not a 4, its lacking in ALL areas for wheelies, power, and weight!

muddin, lol, ALL bikes can wheelie man, ALL, ive seen a 250 wheelie, lol, had to redline and dump it, but it came up.......a lil.
no, it never scraped, my bikes got 3kmiles on it, and isent even a yr old, if your frount forks are old/bad, you might slam into the grond, lol, but doubt it man.
as for your bike, check the forks bro, get on your bike, hold the frount brake tight, and start shoving on your forks, like your trying to drive the fround tire through the ground.
if it dives down, and then comes back at you, and bounces like 3-5 times, then there fucked (from what i know man, might take it to a dealer and ask them how to test it)

but as for the exhaust.
its a Vance & Hines, the cheepest exhaust they make for the 500, and ive heard other exhausts on other 500's, and they dont compare to the sound of the vance & hines, i have a full system, cost me like $450 i think, then the install cost WAY to much, the jetkit was likek $120, with $80 a carb (2 carbs) for install, if i would do it again, id do the exhaust myself, it looks easy, but thx to my dealer, they were able to keep the centerstand, and they cut the lower fender for me.
ive heard you CANT have the center stand, and you have to cut the crap out of the lover fender, but my dealer kept it on there, and only cut a lil off the fender.
and if you dont have a tooth down on the frount sprocket, ,GET IT, its makes a great difference, i wouldetn get it, if thats your highway machine, ie you use that to go to work, and you take the highway, becase the rpms are really high when on the highway in 6th gear, but it makeks a great difference,!! and id say you NEED it to wheelie.
oh, and one more thing, the vance & hines sounds good.....BUT, it is SOOOOOOOOOOOO loud, VERY VERY loud...so be warned.



ps, i havent tryed to wheelie in second to much, but lol, i dont think its possible on this bike, ill give it a go today, but i dont think its going to happen, and if you think im doing it wrong, ive tryed it a couple times, doing about 40-50 and i pulled it it, went to like 10-11rpm (redline at 11.5) and it came up like 4inchs! lol, gaaaaaaay

thx all, guess i just need a bunch more practice and ill see if i can figure this out

[halliwood]

it'll wheelie in 2nd mines an 05 and it will even with a loaded down tank bag on it, just go to 2nd and about 25-30 bring in the clutch just a little (never let off the gas) then do a quick twist with your wrist then release the clutch and it'll come right up, if it doesn't twist a little harder.

[Xarmyboi187]

Originally Posted by nomav6

it'll wheelie in 2nd mines an 05 and it will even with a loaded down tank bag on it, just go to 2nd and about 25-30 bring in the clutch just a little (never let off the gas) then do a quick twist with your wrist then release the clutch and it'll come right up, if it doesn't twist a little harder.

maybe thats where im messing up, but what rpm are you at before you pull in the ol' cluch? my speedo is out of order for a lil while.

i tryed it a lil yesterday......and something VERY VERY goffy happend.

i poped a lil 4incher in second on the way to my house, and then when i was on the road right before my house, i poped a pretty high 1st gear one.
but then when it came down, the hole freaking bike started wobbling....
like.....wow, cant describe,
say your going like 15, and you started shaking the handlebars, and made the bike wobble?
it felt like that, so i applyed the breaks and it wobbled a lil harder, then afther a min it stoped!?
maybe something was hot?!
i dont have a ton of tread on the read tire, it needs to be changed, and other then that, i couldetn see anything that was bent or out of shape!?

so wtf

[dayid]

Originally Posted by Xarmyboi187

when it came down, the hole freaking bike started wobbling....

You turned your handle bars just slightly when the tire was up, or leaned a little on your back wheel (to the side) and made it so your tires weren't aligned when you came down.

[Xarmyboi187]

.......well, it wasent a fast quick wobble, it stayed with the bike, even after a stop, and take off again.....

but i know what you mean

[halliwood]

Originally Posted by Xarmyboi187

.......well, it wasent a fast quick wobble, it stayed with the bike, even after a stop, and take off again.....

but i know what you mean

check your front tire and rim, mine wobbles a lot of the time, but I'm in bad need of a new front tire.

[Xarmyboi187]

checked that, cant see anythign wrong, havent been out on the bike sence, to much rain.

gotta love florida.

heres another quesiton

ive been reading reviews about bike i wanna get, the kawi ZZR600, the 636, and such.
well one review said that in first gear, with the cluch fully engadged, and your hauling ass full throttle all the way to the redline, that the bike will come up into a small wheelie?
so the bikes so light and powerful that the redline power brings it up?

if this is so, wouldent a gear change, say 1down in frount, or 2 up in back, make the bike wheelie when your hauling ass?


ill get back in here and comment when i figure out kif the bike is still acting funny, but it rained for about 2hr's earlyer, and i dont think its gonna dry up enough to ride today.

thx all
Robert

EDIT: btw, the REAR tires almost bald, needs to be changed, but that would make the assend wobble not the frount right?
i dunno, im scratching my head over this one

[halliwood]

Originally Posted by Xarmyboi187

EDIT: btw, the REAR tires almost bald, needs to be changed, but that would make the assend wobble not the frount right?
i dunno, im scratching my head over this one

could still make the front wobble.

[jcrojas]

http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72156 -- complete guide for learning basic wheelies.