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Everyone knows I'm partial to the Titans, so I'll go ahead and make the obvious vote:
Vince Young!!
No other rookie has had such an impact on his team like VY has in a long time. We're witnessing the next great qb, IMHO.
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Before he was battling an ankle injury, Marques Colston had all but won the rookie of the year award. After the last couple of weeks, Vince Young, Devin Hester, and Reggie Bush have made it a 4 man race. I think right now it's a toss-up between these 4 and the last 3 weeks of the season will determine who wins the ROY.
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My vote goes to Hester, now he holds the return record. Bush has fewer touchdowns, and he plays an OFFENSIVE POSITION. That's pretty sad. Plus, no back who is averaging 3.2 yards per carry should be considered. You can make a case for him based on receptions, but it would be extremely weak. He's only averaging 8.7 yards per catch, also bad. Hester has been the best returner in the league, Bush isn't even necessarily the best rookie back (Maroney). Vince Young has been more valuable, but not better at his position. I don't even have to mention his numbers because they aren't that great. Jake is right about Colston, but since the injury, I think Hester should be getting the most consideration.
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My vote goes to Hester, now he holds the return record. Bush has fewer touchdowns, and he plays an OFFENSIVE POSITION. That's pretty sad. Plus, no back who is averaging 3.2 yards per carry should be considered. You can make a case for him based on receptions, but it would be extremely weak. He's only averaging 8.7 yards per catch, also bad. Hester has been the best returner in the league, Bush isn't even necessarily the best rookie back (Maroney). Vince Young has been more valuable, but not better at his position. I don't even have to mention his numbers because they aren't that great. Jake is right about Colston, but since the injury, I think Hester should be getting the most consideration.
Ummmm...last time I checked, Bush had one more TD than Hester.
Hester has 6 returns for scores.
Bush has 4 rushing, 2 receiving, and one return for a score.
My vote goes to Colston. I don't think any player has been more key in helping his team win than Colston has, and that's pretty important. A case for this argument could be made for Vinny Young, but the problem is the Saints ARE a playoff team, and the Titans aren't.
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Everyone knows I'm partial to the Titans, so I'll go ahead and make the obvious vote:
Vince Young!!
No other rookie has had such an impact on his team like VY has in a long time. We're witnessing the next great qb, IMHO.
Vince Young needs to learn to throw the ball before he can be considered the next great QB.
His passer rating is 65.7 on just over 50% completions, 10 TDs vs 11 INTs.
The one thing he has that alot of other people don't is the ability to make whatever team he plays for a winner.
To compare the other rookie that's been playing alot this year to Young, Matt Leinart has a passer rating of 73.9, completed over 55% of his passes, has 10 TDs and 10 INTs.
I just have a sinking suspicion that Young will be good, and he will make the Titans into a PLAYOFF competitor, but he'll be alot like Mike Vick. Able to get his team to the playoffs but not do much after that.
Young's main problem is his throwing mechanic. He doesn't have a very good throwing motion, and it makes him a bit erratic when he throws the ball. That's all fine and dandy in college, but in the pros defenses are too fast and too skilled for you to be throwing erratic deep balls.
Don't get me wrong, I think Young will be a GOOD quarterback, I just don't think he'll ever be a GREAT quarterback.
And for what it's worth, if you want to see a guy become a great quarterback, pay attention to Troy Smith out of Ohio State's career. That guy is something else...and as long as he doesn't get picked by the Detroit Lions or the Raiders, he could end up being a VERY special NFL quarterback.
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One last thing to tout Reggie Bush. Although I think Marques Colston has been the best rookie this year, I don't think any rookie on any team has made defenses "think" as much as Reggie Bush has.
Now, I know he doesn't have the greatest stats...well, the last few weeks he has been spectacular...but overall he doesn't have the best numbers. But stats don't always tell the whole story. Stats don't tell you that when Reggie Bush came out of the backfield it made the safety move up in coverage allowing Colston to beat his man one-on-one into the open. Stats don't tell you that Reggie Bush picked up a key block outside the pocket giving Brees an extra quarter of a second to deliver a strike.
Stats also don't tell you that a defense calls an audible from their original play just because they see where Bush is lined up at.
Things like that aren't really able to be told by stats...you just have to see them and know...and Reggie Bush is like that. When he's on the field, defenses have to think about him no matter what...and that's something that only great players can cause.
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Ummmm...last time I checked, Bush had one more TD than Hester.
Hester has 6 returns for scores.
Bush has 4 rushing, 2 receiving, and one return for a score.
yeah bush has one more TD than Hester but Hester plays DEFENSE!!! he only touches the ball 10 times a game tops. Bush gets like 30 touches. i would almost vote for vince young just based on his performance these last few weeks but can just change the momentum of a game anytime.
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yeah bush has one more TD than Hester but Hester plays DEFENSE!!! he only touches the ball 10 times a game tops. Bush gets like 30 touches. i would almost vote for vince young just based on his performance these last few weeks but can just change the momentum of a game anytime.
Hester has also done literally NOTHING on the field other than the returns.
He's made less than 10 tackles...as best I can tell he hardly ever plays on anything BUT special teams. He is a cornerback with no passes deflected, no interceptions, no fumbles recovered (he recovered one on a kickoff), and hardly any playing time.
I just don't think that someone that's doing nothing other than returning kicks should even be remotely considered for RotY.
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Why not Gimp? Think of it in reverse, better a guy who is electric when he gets on the field than another guy who simply is on the field too much. If Bush was so electric and great, his numbers wouldn't be so terrible. Kick Returner is a position just like RB is, in fact Bush also plays returner. However, Bush doesn't even have better numbers than Lawrence Maroney while Hester is the best returner in the league. A good returner means quite a bit, especially for a team like the Bears that doesn't score some games. Even though everyone claims Bush is so electric (he was awesome in college), but he can't even crack 3.5 yards per carry in the NFL.
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Why not Gimp? Think of it in reverse, better a guy who is electric when he gets on the field than another guy who simply is on the field too much. If Bush was so electric and great, his numbers wouldn't be so terrible. Kick Returner is a position just like RB is, in fact Bush also plays returner. However, Bush doesn't even have better numbers than Lawrence Maroney while Hester is the best returner in the league. A good returner means quite a bit, especially for a team like the Bears that doesn't score some games. Even though everyone claims Bush is so electric (he was awesome in college), but he can't even crack 3.5 yards per carry in the NFL.
Bush is also splitting time with another very capable running back.
You have to look at what Bush does for his team every time he's on the field. Even when he doesn't touch the ball, he's making a positive impact because of the simple fact that defenses worry about his abilities.
And you say he can't crack 3.5 yards per carry, how about the fact that he is averaging 8.7 yards per reception out of the backfield/slot. Not to mention the fact that he's touched the ball over 225 times and only fumbled it twice.
Hester is a player that is only capable of doing what he does BECAUSE of the players around him. If it wasn't for the fact that Chicago's special teams were so fantastic, Hester would be just another undrafted free agent. He's not any good on defense, and he is a good returner because of the people around him.
Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Marques Colston, and Lawrence Maroney are all great players that are capable of making things happen on their own. Sure, they are helped out by their team mates, but they all have the ability to make things happen simply with their own skills. Hester, on the other hand, does not.
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I think the easiest way to sum this up would be this: Over the last few seasons has Dante Hall of the Kansas City Chiefs warranted any talk of being the NFL's MVP?? He's been a stellar return man, racking up about four times the amount of yards that he had recieving...however, he in no way deserved to be considered for NFL MVP. This is the same type of thing that is going on with Devin Hester. Players that are relegated to kick returning aren't special players that deserve talk about being up there with the best in the league.
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