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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
Religion is only a tool. It's not real. It's a tool to help people live their lives better. It works for many people. Are they foolish to believe in it?? Not at all if it helps them with their lives. That still doesn't change the fact that I don't believe in god.
dude we may not agree on whether there is a God or not....but i'm sooo happy to hear you being positive while dissagreeing I REALLY appreciate that
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What is the point of bringing up things like this in the first place??
Why not, it gives people a chance to talk about their beliefs and also learn from others. i don't believe anyone here is going to try to "convert" anyone, but if anyone else is like me they want as much knowledge as they can have. Sometimes the best way to learn is through discussion.. and this is a discussion forum.... right??
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dude we may not agree on whether there is a God or not....but i'm sooo happy to hear you being positive while dissagreeing I REALLY appreciate that
Dude, I don't have any problems with people being religious. If they feels it benefits them, then they should put as much into it as they can.
The ONLY time religious people start to truly bother me is when they try to "convert" me. When they first try, that's fine, but when they learn my beliefs and continue to try to convince me even though I'm not interested, that's why I start to dislike religious people.
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I'm always interested in the reasons why people in believe. Not so much the "casual" followers, but the fiercely religious -- those that take the teachings of their religions at literal, face value, etc. I'm interested in where such a blind faith in something that there is no scientific evidence for comes from.
And just as a disclaimer, since this is a touchy subject for some (I made it clear in the "Mormon" thread, but not here): I respect everyones' religious beliefs, regardless of what they are.
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Originally Posted by Gimpdiggity
What is the point of bringing up things like this in the first place??
Nobody that believes in god is gonna convince anyone who doesn't that there is a god.
Just like nobody that doesn't believe in god is gonna convince anyone who does that there is a god.
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Why not, it gives people a chance to talk about their beliefs and also learn from others. i don't believe anyone here is going to try to "convert" anyone, but if anyone else is like me they want as much knowledge as they can have. Sometimes the best way to learn is through discussion.. and this is a discussion forum.... right??
You miss my point.
You must be new to the internet if you think a thread about religion will stay just a discussion for very long. I give it a few pages before it's a name calling argument instead of a logical discussion.
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The "Mormon" thread (which is pretty similar to this one) actually went on for quite some time, with intelligent posts surprisingly out-numbering those of the name-calling variety.
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You miss my point.
You must be new to the internet if you think a thread about religion will stay just a discussion for very long. I give it a few pages before it's a name calling argument instead of a logical discussion.
i dont like to use god as an excuse or explaination for something i can't explain. i also think it can be, for lack of a better word, dangerous. look at the salem witch trials.....kill people because they "talk" to the devil. people take their religion too seriously to the piont where it clouds their rational judgement.
dont get me wrong and think i am the antichrist or something. religion does provide people with something to believe in. but i think that religion should only be a guide to lead a good life, not to recruit people into your group, and turn down others beliefs.
as for the creation of the universe.....who knows.
but:
its been around billions of years,
i will be around for .000000092% of that time
it would be nice to know, but i dont have enough time to worry about it.
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personally i'm a good old agnostic I oscillate to deism regulary, but i like eastern religions better than western ones and i probably got some new age monistic ideal but i don't really want to try to figure out for myself what it is.
I Also like what I have read on Science of Mind...its more about the belief in universal law, cause and effect, than it is good vs evil(actually they dont believe in evil)...they believe there is a universal soul that is behind all
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. I'm interested in where such a blind faith in something that there is no scientific evidence for comes from.
Well...when you REALLY experience something.....then you tend to believe
What I find funny is folks can prove ABSOLUTELY nothing in regard to an alien abduction, or sighting a UFO, yet more people will believe in aliens than God...based on these peoples word.
I can tell you, millions of people would not be believers had they not felt God work in their life. Christianity requires NOTHING of you except belief in God and Jesus.....nothing else..PERIOD...you're not REQUIRED to do squat else. Everything else comes from an inner desire to do Gods will.
Other "religions" require service for a HINT at a promise of heaven.....look at ANY "religion".......when it's all boiled down, the reward is heaven, and to GET there you're required to do "works" or die in the name of whom you believe.... and even then you're not Guarenteed you'll even GET to heaven.....The Christian God doesn't require that
But you say "tithing" is requied...not it;s not....tithing is SUGGESTED, it's whether or not you WANT to that determines if you give or not....I could go on but I need to go home
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Last edited by CasterTroy : 08-16-2004 at 05:01 PM.
That's what I don't understand. You say that you've REALLY had a personal experience, and that you KNOW god is out there (borrowing a bit from the other thread). I haven't experienced anything like that -- why? I mean, if there IS a god out there, wouldn't we all have the opportunity to experience him/her/it?
I'm an open-minded person, but I'm also a logical, scientific person. I need a REASON to believe. Just like I won't believe some random guy that claims he was abducted by aliens, I can't blindly accept some higher power without SOME shred of evidence to go on.
Just my 2 cents, as always.
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Well...when you REALLY experience something.....then you tend to believe
What I find funny is folks can prove ABSOLUTELY nothing in regard to an alien abduction, or sighting a UFO, yet more people will believe in aliens than God...based on these peoples word.
How could God have a son? Did he make love to a female god we don't know about, or was it some kind of parthenogenesis? How can you even know that there are multiple incorporeal beings? There is no way to count them. Actually, there is no way to interact with them at all, unless you believe they can perform miracles. How does a god talk to you, and how do you know which one you're talking to? Does it manipulate the synapses of your brain, or does it vibrate air molecules to make sound, which you then hear? If God can manipulate the universe, how can you make any conclusions based on your observations? Maybe that's a cloud, or maybe God's just making me THINK that's a cloud. How can a soul be linked to a particular body? What if you switched the atoms out one by one? Is the soul still there? What if you were teleported or copied, Star Trek-style? Where's the soul then? Do test tube babies have souls? Clones? How long does it take the soul to leave after you die? 30 minutes maybe? What if we found a way to re-animate dead people after 35 minutes?
How can anyone possibly answer these questions without arriving at the conclusion that there IS no supernatural?
You must be new to the internet if you think a thread about religion will stay just a discussion for very long. I give it a few pages before it's a name calling argument instead of a logical discussion.
Absolutely correct... you unwashed, hell-bound, moon worshipping dumbfuck.
JK
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I believe in Jesus today, and the teachings of the Bible.
The non-believer will always say, "show me God, and I wiill believe" while the believer will say, "believe in God, and he will reveal himself to you." I would post more but Troy already covered everything.
I REALLY appreciate that
