Mancow Muller gets waterboarded

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by jiffy

I would gladly go under waterboarding for 7 seconds...would you? Balls electrocuting is another ball game, but if you want to prove something.


I work at not being as much of a coward as you prove to be.

Yea, being a moron is a full time job for you.

[jiffy]

No different than being held under water until your blue in the face. It was common in the public pool growing up...except being held under lasted much longer than 7 seconds.

Originally Posted by jim schmidt

Yea, being a moron is a full time job for you.

Trolling the forums takes a lot of work Jim...keep up the good work.

[BusaDave]

Originally Posted by jiffy

I work at not being as much of a coward as you prove to be.

What part of not being a coward do you find you have to work at?

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by jiffy

No different than being held under water until your blue in the face. It was common in the public pool growing up...except being held under lasted much longer than 7 seconds.



Trolling the forums takes a lot of work Jim...keep up the good work.

Again, I explained why blindfolded anything would make it worse, but again, why dont you do it, all it requires is you, two other people, and some balls. At this point, you and all the defenders are making yourselves look stooooopid. If you did it , on video, then said you do not feel its torture, then at least you will back yourself up.

[jiffy]

The point is 7 seconds doesn't prove a thing.

If I do it on video and then say it's not torture that won't change anyone's mind here.

It's funny how torture has become a new problem...when it's been going on for so long now.

It's easy to post articles saying that torture doesn't work..just as easy to post articles that say it does work.

CIA Agent: Waterboarding Saved Lives

By Jimmie on Dec 11, 2007 in Featured, The Long War Here At Home

Does waterboarding work? Without a doubt, yes. Abu Zubayda broke after 35 seconds of being waterboarded and, according to the man who did it, the information he gave let us stop “…a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks”.

Is waterboarding torture? Well, this CIA agent believes it is, as do a number of other very well-intentioned and reasonable people. I am not so sure that it is. The word “torture” carries a certain number of very weighty connotations that I’m not sure apply to waterboarding. Should it be a regular part of our interrogations? Of course not, and I’m very glad that it isn’t. Let us remember here that for all the sturm und drang over waterboarding, it has been used only three times since 9/11, it hasn’t been used since 2003, and a bipartisan group of our duly-elected officials had oversight over the program and registered no meaningful objections to it when it was in use. What we do know now, and many of us strongly suspected for some time, is that waterboarding was at the extreme point of a very carefully-followed and strictly-approved continuum of interrogation techniques. It was not used recklessly, as you might have gathered from the shrill MSM coverage and the frantic accusations from the left. But it has to be on the table. It has to be part of the continuum. Because of all the extreme things we could do, this one is by far the least damaging and it works.

Let’s also remember something very, very important. As distasteful as waterboarding is, it is a successful and necessary evil in a very, very brutal war. We should not forget that the people on whom this technique was used held information that could have killed dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of us. We should also not forget that we are not waterboarding choirboys here. I’ll bring Jules Crittenden in on this point:

But we’re talking about thwarting terrorists who purposefully murder civilians by the thousands, not soldiers engaged in anything remotely resembling military operations. We’re talking about people who put power drills into the kneecaps of people they capture, apply blowtorches to their bodies and cut their heads off for the cameras. It’s an ugly war. If stopping them calls for harsh measures that the genteel, protected classes might find distasteful, so be it. The people who keep all of us safe have to do a lot of things not even close to waterboarding that the genteel classes would find distasteful.

I do not intend on making this a “well, those guys are worse” sort of argument. But we can not let the brutality of our enemy get very far from our memories. The effective, precise, expert and rare use of waterboarding on a savage enemy has saved lives. That, for me, is the end of the argument.

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by jiffy

The point is 7 seconds doesn't prove a thing.

If I do it on video and then say it's not torture that won't change anyone's mind here.

We'll know that when you do it, won't we?

[jiffy]

When are you going to do it Jim? How will you know if it is torture if you don't do it?

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by jiffy

The point is 7 seconds doesn't prove a thing.

If I do it on video and then say it's not torture that won't change anyone's mind here.

It's funny how torture has become a new problem...when it's been going on for so long now.

It's easy to post articles saying that torture doesn't work..just as easy to post articles that say it does work.

CIA Agent: Waterboarding Saved Lives

By Jimmie on Dec 11, 2007 in Featured, The Long War Here At Home

Does waterboarding work? Without a doubt, yes. Abu Zubayda broke after 35 seconds of being waterboarded and, according to the man who did it, the information he gave let us stop “…a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks”.

Is waterboarding torture? Well, this CIA agent believes it is, as do a number of other very well-intentioned and reasonable people. I am not so sure that it is. The word “torture” carries a certain number of very weighty connotations that I’m not sure apply to waterboarding. Should it be a regular part of our interrogations? Of course not, and I’m very glad that it isn’t. Let us remember here that for all the sturm und drang over waterboarding, it has been used only three times since 9/11, it hasn’t been used since 2003, and a bipartisan group of our duly-elected officials had oversight over the program and registered no meaningful objections to it when it was in use. What we do know now, and many of us strongly suspected for some time, is that waterboarding was at the extreme point of a very carefully-followed and strictly-approved continuum of interrogation techniques. It was not used recklessly, as you might have gathered from the shrill MSM coverage and the frantic accusations from the left. But it has to be on the table. It has to be part of the continuum. Because of all the extreme things we could do, this one is by far the least damaging and it works.

Let’s also remember something very, very important. As distasteful as waterboarding is, it is a successful and necessary evil in a very, very brutal war. We should not forget that the people on whom this technique was used held information that could have killed dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of us. We should also not forget that we are not waterboarding choirboys here. I’ll bring Jules Crittenden in on this point:

But we’re talking about thwarting terrorists who purposefully murder civilians by the thousands, not soldiers engaged in anything remotely resembling military operations. We’re talking about people who put power drills into the kneecaps of people they capture, apply blowtorches to their bodies and cut their heads off for the cameras. It’s an ugly war. If stopping them calls for harsh measures that the genteel, protected classes might find distasteful, so be it. The people who keep all of us safe have to do a lot of things not even close to waterboarding that the genteel classes would find distasteful.

I do not intend on making this a “well, those guys are worse” sort of argument. But we can not let the brutality of our enemy get very far from our memories. The effective, precise, expert and rare use of waterboarding on a savage enemy has saved lives. That, for me, is the end of the argument.

It will give you a leg to stand on, instead of sitting here running your mouth about how its not torture, if you do it, and subject yourself as In the last video to several times should you have actually made it through the first go around, then you can say one way or another. Keep in mind, the first person was someone who ran his mouth like you did and now says its torture.

Its like this, if I throw someone in a choke hold or an Armbar in competition, its not torture, it will be released in a few seconds, never to be applied again, if I do it to you, repeatededly, without you saying its ok, over and over again all day long, that would indeed be torture, and again, since your having a hard time understanding it, being blindfolded is something that scares the fuck out of everyone, so, man the fuck up, quick sounding like a pussy, and do it. 1 hour out of your life is all it will take.

[jiffy]

Thank you blurr I already stated this earlier in the thread.

Everyone keeps harping on 7 seconds that Mancow did and I said 7 seconds is not the least of what should be considered torture. No one picks up on these obvious differences though.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by jiffy

Thank you blurr I already stated this earlier in the thread.

Everyone keeps harping on 7 seconds that Mancow did and I said 7 seconds is not the least of what should be considered torture. No one picks up on these obvious differences though.

You dont know jiffy, thats the point, its not a big commitment to do it, your obviously dragging your feet because you do not think you could handle it, and you know that, but in your mind torture is ok for what you believe is the safety of the country, correct?

[jiffy]

Blurr you man up and do it if your such a billy bad ass. Your the one who calls everyone out on this board to fight and torture themselves.

Post your video.


I do know...I know that waterboarding is a very unpleasant experience that no one wants to go through. Done repeatedly waterboarding is grueling. I'm not against torture 100% like the rest of the people here that's the difference.

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by jiffy

When are you going to do it Jim? How will you know if it is torture if you don't do it?

I come to Florida twice a year, minimum. If you want me to waterboard you and you're willing to sign the appropriate waivers and film it, I'm game.

[jiffy]

If you hire the appropriate staff trained in waterboarding and have paramedics on premises I'm available. Which is not a cop out of any kind....it is exactly what mancow had available to him.

After I'm done getting mine Jim it will be your turn. At least you will know from personal experience and not from your personal bias.


The funny part of Mancow's waterboarding is that after being waterboarded for 7 seconds he "Confessed" that water boarding is torture.

Proof waterboarding works.

[BuiltGypsy]

The Guantanamo Bay Torture Memos: For Kids!

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by jiffy

Blurr you man up and do it if your such a billy bad ass. Your the one who calls everyone out on this board to fight and torture themselves.

Post your video.

Why I already know its torture, I have never said any different, so your statement makes no sense. and this from, a "badass" as you call me, should tell you something right there. I am however thinking about doing it just to have done it, I know a couple guys at the fire Dept so IM gonna run it by them and see if they want to participate. So considering I have subjected my body willingly to great amounts of pain over the years, if I come on and still say its torture, will you take that honestly?

Edit: IM also going to add that having had the tips of two fingers cut off I did not obviously consider that torture, Nor do I for all the fingers that have been smashed over the years with equipment or a fucking hammer, however in the proper situation as I mentioned with fighting, it indeed would be.
Yer an idiot.

I do know...I know that waterboarding is a very unpleasant experience that no one wants to go through. Done repeatedly waterboarding is grueling. I'm not against torture 100% like the rest of the people here that's the difference.

Yup like I thought, so why not just say its ok and quit beating around the bush?