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I'm really confused. Why is it OK to hate Obama, but wasn't OK to hate bush?
Help me out here.
Those of us that objected to bush's wiping his arse on the Constitution and getting a whole bunch of American military killed for no good purpose were savaged as "haters".
Obama was the target of the most barking, foaming attacks I've ever witnessed - even before he'd been in office a few days.
What could account for this difference?
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Why is it ok to like Obama when you hated bush, when so far its just more of the same?
Really. Care to set up a comparison? You're such a doofus.
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Conservatives now officially hate puppies
By: TBogg Sunday April 12, 2009 12:35 pm
The American public has always had a fascination with White House pets; FDR's Fala, LBJ's beagles, Jerry Ford's Liberty, and George W. Bush's Jeff Gannon. So today word gets out on the Obama's puppy selection and while most of the world is "awwwwwing" wingnuts choose to "arrgh".
Don Surber flails about and wonders why everyone is paying attention to the puppy and not the fact that Caroline Kennedy is totally not invited to play reindeer games with the Pope. News travels slow to Poca, WV.
Bo, we feel you're pain. You'll be in our prayers. I know that Bo will be properly cared for, as he will probably have a Dog Nanny 24/7. Proper care is not my concern. I hope that he will receive the love that he deserves and not just be a political ornament at the White House.
[sound of head banging against the wall] How could 52% of the people be so wrong? Political hypnosis? A cult of personality?
I don't think the "head banging on the wall" is just an expression. It's a feature.
Ann Althouse... Um, Ann Althouse got up very early this morning and found all the eggs that the Easter Bunny had hidden in the house. And they were filled with wine. Then she blogged.
JammieWearingFool seems unhappy because the Obama's named their dog Bo. Better safe than sorry. Had the first family named their dog something like Allahu Akbark, it might have been enough to send someone on a cop-killing spree.
Filling in over at Michelle Malkin's place (while Michelle takes a few days off to get her bile ducts enlarged so they can handle a heavier load) is minor league wingnut Doug Powers who, lacking any one thing to hook onto, goes full metal Leno with painful results. Even the crickets are yawning.
If Obama cured cancer, they'd complain about overpopulation.
Really. Care to set up a comparison? You're such a doofus.
He needn't bother--Glen Greenwald has documented such comparisons to death vis a vis constitutional-style wreckage continuity. On the econ side, Bush TARPED, Obama TARPS. Bush'd econ "department" was filled with big money big corp finance wallstreet people, so is Obama's. What has mostly changed is 1) rhetoric and 2) details that the powers-that-be don't really care about one way or the other--but the people still appreciate any crumbs that still come their way, so there's that I guess.....
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He needn't bother--Glen Greenwald has documented such comparisons to death vis a vis constitutional-style wreckage continuity. On the econ side, Bush TARPED, Obama TARPS. Bush'd econ "department" was filled with big money big corp finance wallstreet people, so is Obama's. What has mostly changed is 1) rhetoric and 2) details that the powers-that-be don't really care about one way or the other--but the people still appreciate any crumbs that still come their way, so there's that I guess.....
You are skirting around the ultra-nationalist years with Bush. Whether or not you feel that way about Obama, there was a long period of time where ANY dissent was called unpatriotic, unamerican and you were ostracized.
The same folks who were doing that crap are the teabaggers. Ultranationalist, xenophobic blind party followers who hate black people. If Obama were Biden it wouldn't be this bad.
These people who dislike Obama are not "just doing it because of what Obama has done", they did it the night of the election. They did it before the election and they will continue to do it throughout his presidency, no matter what is accomplished.
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He needn't bother--Glen Greenwald has documented such comparisons to death vis a vis constitutional-style wreckage continuity. On the econ side, Bush TARPED, Obama TARPS. Bush'd econ "department" was filled with big money big corp finance wallstreet people, so is Obama's. What has mostly changed is 1) rhetoric and 2) details that the powers-that-be don't really care about one way or the other--but the people still appreciate any crumbs that still come their way, so there's that I guess.....
Yeah, well, let's talk in 18-24 months and see what's up. Prognosticating the imminent destruction of the American experiment with self-government gets really old, really fast.
The other thing I forgot to mention in my comparison between you and Philboy, is your general disdain for the collective intelligence of "The People." Clearly, this place is no fair snapshot of us all, but the recent wisdom of the electorate was a demonstrable fact.
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Yeah, well, let's talk in 18-24 months and see what's up. Prognosticating the imminent destruction of the American experiment with self-government gets really old, really fast.
The other thing I forgot to mention in my comparison between you and Philboy, is your general disdain for the collective intelligence of "The People." Clearly, this place is no fair snapshot of us all, but the recent wisdom of the electorate was a demonstrable fact.
Let me clarify...
One, if Obama did *not* kow-tow to the finance establishment, he'd have the rug pulled flat out from under him. Knowing that, i never ever expected him to behave any other way than the way he is--bailing out private corp speculation gone bad *is* the gov'ts job these days (sorrowfully). Pointing out the hypocrisy of the foregoing is certainly legitimate. What i *did* expect him to do was form a more socially liberal gov't than McCain would have-- and he mostly seems to be fulfilling that, which is good.
Second, I am not "Prognosticating the imminent destruction of the American experiment with self-government". That already happened a long time ago, after the Civil War when the railroad corps took over gov't. It was mitigated somewhat mid 20th century but we've been fast moving back into living in the old corp "feudal" model, ala turn of the 19th century, for most of my adult life. Obama is doing *nothing* about mitigating _that_.
Third, the above pretty much says all that needs to be said about "the collective intelligence of The People." The People elected exactly who the media propagandized & mobilized them to elect. The "black guy" made it because the minority electorate (demographic evolution) finally caught up with the white vote enough to countermand its previously established hegemony (whites as a whole voted McCain/Palin by a 12-point margin--so much for the "end of racism".) So, like any good system, the fallback position was just as acceptable to corp power anyway. (for that matter so were pretty much any of the major party primary contestants in the "Next Top Dog" corp media reality show we suckers call "primaries") There have always (since i have been voting) two "serious" candidates (and partys) which are defined, by the corp media, as the only "legitimate choices for the electorate": behind door #1:the corporate-finance owned (but socially liberal) party and behind door #2: the corporate-finance owned (but socially conservative) party. Both are full supporters and facilitators of a public policy enabling/promoting upward wealth migration.
If the electorate were really so "schmardt", they'd elect people who represent THEIR interests, rather than the interests of an elite corprocratic oligarchy. But as long as that same oligarchy controls the primary media apparatus (which the masses reliably turn to for their opinion forming information), they will continue to vote for minority interests rather than their own as choices other than oligarch-friendly will be forever cast as illegitimate/not "serious" by any of the "trusted" sources of information.
Those of us that objected to bush's wiping his arse on the Constitution and getting a whole bunch of American military killed for no good purpose were savaged as "haters".
Obama was the target of the most barking, foaming attacks I've ever witnessed - even before he'd been in office a few days.
What could account for this difference?
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Dave, I normally am here for an occasional thread, but you seem to spend a crazy amount of time on Political stuff, I mean in the end....who freaking cares....we are all puppets in a grand play, all your research all your threads dont mean anything, they dont change anything....whhy worry about it...
I log on here to talk about bikes, but I have to say the poltical forum has become way too much of this site, IMO.
I would focus more on bikes, less on all your stumping and or political rants on here.
Obama is polarizing, as was Bush, thats a fact, if you like the direction he is taking the country, then fine, if you dont (like me) then thats ok too, but I DONT LOSE SLEEP OVER IT, it appears this is your only passion.
I recently lost a brother and what that does to your mind is very simple, its cliche' it makes you appreciate the little things and not to hung up in a FORUM on why people may or may not like BO?
Anyway just my thoughts...
We are all players performers and portrayers, thats it.....
There have also been an impressive number of thought-provoking discussions here, and I do believe that my mind has been changed more than once. There is much food for thought if you bypass the personal attacks and dickwaving.
As far as motorcycles go, there's still about 5 feet of snow in my front yard.
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Those of us that objected to bush's wiping his arse on the Constitution and getting a whole bunch of American military killed for no good purpose were savaged as "haters".
Obama was the target of the most barking, foaming attacks I've ever witnessed - even before he'd been in office a few days.
I'm really confused. Why is it OK to hate Obama, but wasn't OK to hate bush?
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