Al-Qaeda scared of Obama?

[stealthy1]

Originally Posted by GravelHatesMe

c'mon are you guys really missing stealthy's original point. as i understand it

paraphrase....

Dave: Obama will fix our rep and al queda will not have anything to hate us for anymore since bush's actions made them hate us

Stealthy: They hated us and our way of life before bush and obama can't change that (thus the what did bush do to instigate 9-11 question)

Dave: (silence)

cut out the partisan stuff and stealthy's point is simple... al queda will hate us no matter what obama does and bush may have worsened the divide, but he didn't start it.

I think i got it right anyway.

........and ladies and gentlemen, we have a WINNER!!!
Damn you and your reading & comprehension ability! Did you go to private school or something?

[BigBadBoom]

Originally Posted by GravelHatesMe

Dave: Obama will fix our rep and al queda will not have anything to hate us for anymore since bush's actions made them hate us

Dave did not say that Al-qeada would love us. He did not imply that they were going to bake us a cake either but I am pretty sure that's what you heard in your head.

This probably stems from your perceived belief that all Muslims are terrorists. This based on your mangling of his posts to sound as if he was a Al-Qeada booster.

What he did say, because you obviously missed it, was that the Muslim world would be more receptive to a Obama administration after the last eight years that served as a recruiting poster for Al-Qeada called the Bush administration.

The Muslim world (not all are terrorist states) probably looks upon a future Obama administration that will return to diplomacy first. This, as the article states, would work to damage Al-Qeada's recruiting efforts.

But go on equating the Muslim world with Al-Qeada if it provides some sort of security for you world view. I am pretty sure five year olds feel the same way about the boogey man.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by BigBadBoom

Dave did not say that Al-qeada would love us. He did not imply that they were going to bake us a cake either but I am pretty sure that's what you heard in your head.

This probably stems from your perceived belief that all Muslims are terrorists. This based on your mangling of his posts to sound as if he was a Al-Qeada booster.

What he did say, because you obviously missed it, was that the Muslim world would be more receptive to a Obama administration after the last eight years that served as a recruiting poster for Al-Qeada called the Bush administration.

The Muslim world (not all are terrorist states) probably looks upon a future Obama administration that will return to diplomacy first. This, as the article states, would work to damage Al-Qeada's recruiting efforts.

But go on equating the Muslim world with Al-Qeada if it provides some sort of security for you world view. I am pretty sure five year olds feel the same way about the boogey man.

Interesting you say it was a recruiting poster, what about the original twin tower bombings in 1993? Or did alqueda lack the recruits to pull that one off?

Would you like me to cite other various terrorist attacks pre bush Jr?

Damn you liberals are Dense. lap up that bullshit your fed, lap it up.

[GravelHatesMe]

big bad boom, maybe i'm slow since i went to public schools, but you really should take off the rose colored glasses and actually read his post

Originally Posted by dave b

Obama has the potential to repair our image and standing worldwide. I hope he succeeds.

Thus the
"Obama will fix our rep" paraphrase - seems pretty accurate so far.

Originally Posted by dave b

If America is no longer seen as the universal bad guy - the mother of all rogue states - al Queda will have no legitimate reason to attack us.

Thus the "al queda will have no reason to hate us anymore" part. If changing out the word "hate" in my paraphrase for "attack" makes you happy, go for it.


Sounds like i'm really close.

Nice baseless stereotype too. You'll demonize conservatives that stereotype, but apparently it's okay for you to. I love the massive double standards that you carry. Somehow cutting the junk and insults out of a conversation and bringing it down to the base arguement makes me believe that all muslims are terrorists. Interesting reach.

[Gaolee]

OK, my timing was a little off unless there's something else out there. I don't feel like spending the day on inardwebz research, so here's what I came up with:

Both the Democrats and GOP had a stated position regarding Iraq- Saddam should go. But, neither had any specifics regarding invading Iraq to remove him.

After 9/11, with the country madder than a stirred up hornet's nest, dumb'ya started "planning" for the Iraq invasion, bypassing the UN and others' diplomatic efforts.

So, there you have it. My comments regarding dumb'ya planning to invade Iraq prior to 9/11 were incorrect. My comments stating he used 9/11 as cover for an unrelated invasion stand.

Link to WaPo article

Too bad the administration stopped planning with Mission Accomplished. If for no other reason, Obama will be an improvement. He seems to have a habit of being overprepared.

[dave b]

Originally Posted by stealthy1

I'm still waiting for the call for religious war propoganda as Dave B says happened prior to 911

Where did I say that?

db

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by Gaolee

So, there you have it. My comments regarding dumb'ya planning to invade Iraq prior to 9/11 were incorrect. My comments stating he used 9/11 as cover for an unrelated invasion stand.

thats right and I wont let you forget it.

Too bad the administration stopped planning with Mission Accomplished. If for no other reason, Obama will be an improvement. He seems to have a habit of being overprepared.

Ask yourself why on earth does America have troops in 165 countries? there R only roughly 40 countries without US troops.

There is far, far more to all this than Obama, Bush and any other political figure.

[dave b]

The level of critical thinking displayed here is stunning. OBL himself has enumerated the reasons he attacked the US, and nowhere on the list was "hatred of our freedoms".

The only reason I can figgure that the right clings to "they hate us" is because it absolved them/us of responsibility for anything that's happened.

It ought to go without saying that I would have responded (were I in charge) to the 9/11 attacks by flattening al Quada and killing OBL. What we did instead was to invade a country that was not involved in 9/11. The Saudis have so far been held unaccountable.

Obama will fix our rep and al queda will not have anything to hate us for anymore since bush's actions made them hate us ???

America's fucking with the middle east predates bush by a hundred years. The invasion of an Islamic country that EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE EASTknew was not involved in 9/11 is simply the icing on the cake, and perhaps the stupidist thing America has done since Vietnam.

My children's grandchildren will be paying for this.

And some of you fuckers still support it.

db

[dave b]

Please read the following:

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk

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[636blurr]

Originally Posted by dave b

Please read the following:

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk

db

Dave, seriously, put some deep thought into what he says and what he has done in the past.

[dave b]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Dave, seriously, put some deep thought into what he says and what he has done in the past.

I have, and I am not prepared to call the whole thing a lie. Some of it is clearly caca, but he's pretty clear on why he acted against the US.

db

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by dave b

I have, and I am not prepared to call the whole thing a lie. Some of it is clearly caca, but he's pretty clear on why he acted against the US.

db

So what is their excuse against britain?
Al Qaeda Claims London Attacks, Ayman Al-Zawahri Threatens More Attacks In Europe On Al-Jazeera Tape - CBS News

Al-Qaeda Vows New Attacks Against Europe


This is interesting
Al Qaeda bin Laden History


Al qaeda camps in southern asia.
CNN.com - Building al Qaeda's Asian terror network - Feb. 26, 2004

In the Mindanao province they are trying to force the people back into communism.

It comes down to control fly, has nothing to do with the the US, it has to do with their ability to control and how much power they have.

[dave b]

I didn't say they were the Elks Club. I said that they might be less likely to come after us if we didn't fuck with them.

db

[Gaolee]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

thats right and I wont let you forget it.

OK, the round is a draw! I was only half right. Or half left. Or something.

[Trash]

Originally Posted by Gaolee

OK, the round is a draw! I was only half right. Or half left. Or something.

Hey Cheney and the other PNAC boys were planning to invade Iraq before they chose George Bush to be president, so you weren't completely off base. Also, according to Paul O’Neill in his book, he stated that the first country they wanted to invade right after 911 was Iraq and not Afghanistan, but they knew it would be a tough sell so wisely chose Afghanistan.