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Obama's Urban Policy Plan - "Commonsense gun laws and childproof guns"
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Obama also favors commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them. He supports closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof.
He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets
Q1: How does one make a firearm childproof?
Q2: What is an "assault weapon?" and who gets to make the definition?
It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
If childproof guns are like childproof medicine bottles, it means that children will have absolutely no problems operating them, and adults will have to fight to get them to work when they need them the most.
The definition of "assault weapon" according to the anti-gun crowd is basically any weapon which looks scary.
Q2: What is an "assault weapon?" and who gets to make the definition?
Basically by the time they revise the definition (government, of course) it'll probably be anything semi-auto with a detachable mag. Pistol grips, collapsible stocks, etc. will be verboten. Basically anything other than a bolt/lever/single-action firearm will be banned.
you also have to ask what is the defintion of "child". Under 18?...15?...13? The masses have a tendency to be all for things if "its for the children".
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I'm still saying his plate is pretty full right now. And I'm pretty sure he does not want to piss off the people anymore then they already are. We get one more thing taken away and that might just be enough.
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So are you advocating that guns be required not to have a safety and that everyone be allowed to conceal full-auto weapons?
If so, you're nutty as a fruitcake. If not, you're just like the old joke about the whore who's arguing about the price.
Let's leave the "why is he asking this question" analysis for later. If you wouldn't mind, please answer the two questions first.
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It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
I did. I pointed out why they were rhetorically excessive. That's why you ducked the direct response, innit?
Not ducking anything. The statement is in the plan cited. How does one make guns child proof?
Extrapolating that to ask such a question is to advocate that no firearms have safety mechanisms or that fully automatic weapons should be allowed to be carried concealed is a bit of a stretch.
BTW, ownership of fully automatic weapons has been closely regulated since 1934, requiring a special "stamp" (tax), registration by the owner, and a background check. They are also banned completely in many states. Additionally, ownership of fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 is prohibited to civilians.
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It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
So are you advocating that guns be required not to have a safety and that everyone be allowed to conceal full-auto weapons?
If so, you're nutty as a fruitcake. If not, you're just like the old joke about the whore who's arguing about the price.
"Not required to have a safety", not "required not to have a safety". You know, like the 70 zillion revolvers produced during the last century.
California effectively banned the sale or import of like 80% of handguns made in the previous two decades, simply by adding an onerous and expensive "safety test". There was no way for out-of-production models to be tested, so they were instantly illegal. BTW, a S&W model with a commemorative etching was considered a "different model", so had to be tested separately.
"Not required to have a safety", not "required not to have a safety". You know, like the 70 zillion revolvers produced during the last century.
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"required not to have a safety"
If it is wrong for Obama to want guns to be child safe then it is wrong to equip them with a safety.
It sounds ridiculous because it is. I was making a point about the ridiculousness of Pepe's "how do you make a gun child safe" rhetorical excess. Bottom line, what Obama said isn't outrageous at all.
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I'm still saying his plate is pretty full right now. And I'm pretty sure he does not want to piss off the people anymore then they already are. We get one more thing taken away and that might just be enough.
You do realize that's an incredibly weak response right?
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Obama's Urban Policy Plan - "Commonsense gun laws and childproof guns"
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