Obama's Urban Policy Plan - "Commonsense gun laws and childproof guns"

[SAHTT]

Originally Posted by jim schmidt

So are you advocating that guns be required not to have a safety and that everyone be allowed to conceal full-auto weapons?

If so, you're nutty as a fruitcake. If not, you're just like the old joke about the whore who's arguing about the price.

So you are saying an attempt at banning them magically turns them into pixie dust and all the criminals will just give up their illegal firearms because Obama says so? There are millions of semi's out there and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of AK-like functioning weapons.

This is all just worthless gibberish without an effective, specific plan. Then again, I haven't heard on yet from this guy so that doesn't surprise me.

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by SAHTT

1. Impossible to enforce without rendering the gun useless.

As far as your imagination can go. Flying used to be impossible too.

[SAHTT]

Originally Posted by jim schmidt

As far as your imagination can go. Flying used to be impossible too.

That sounds like something Obama would say.

Susie-"Obama, most child proof devices require delicate and timed coordination by definition in order to be "child proof". Most gun owners feel self defense is important, and therefore quick access to their firearm. Thousands of break-ins happen annually, so this isn't entirely unjustified. Could you please tell us how you plan to balance safety, enforceability, cost, and usability?"

O-"Well Susie, it's going to be hard but, you know what, flying was impossible once".

Susie-"Obama, you didn't tell me anything whatsoever. Could you please tell us anything remotely of substance about this?"

O-"Well a long time ago the Wright brothers figured it out. That's about all I know."

[Desp]

^^^ It'll happen right around the same time he's done using "price signals" to keep all of us middle class from affording electricity and hoping someone comes up with a cheap clean solution of energy.

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by SAHTT

That sounds like something Obama would say.

Right. People (like us) who believe in our democracy believe we are capable of great things and set goals accordingly.

Luddites believe that progress is bad. Losers believe that progress is "impossible."

[rayzzr]

I am all for keeping loaded weapons out of the hands of an inexperienced person, but I think we have some valid points that they need to elaborate on:

1) What constitutes 'a child'? Most people in rural areas were hunting at a very young age, and most probably know a lot more about how to safely handle a gun than some of the recent persons whose knee-jerk reaction to Obama's presidency was to run out an buy a gun.

2) So we build a safer gun. Ok. Now what about the millions of guns that are already on the market? I simply do not see a 'once size fits all' solution here. I didn't say it was impossible, but I will say this - not easy...

3) What constitutes an 'assault weapon'? Magazine type/capacity? Muzzle velocity? Rate of fire? Ability to conceal? I think anything can be taken to an extreme, and I believe that is the concern of most.

[mgw24]

1. Education, responsibility, accountability.

2. who knows, the last definition of an "assault weapon" was almost purely aesthetic- and banning them made no detectable difference in crime statistics while it was in place.

[snakesht]

What about those of us who don't have children in the house?

[jethead]

Originally Posted by SAHTT

That sounds like something Obama would say.

Susie-"Obama, most child proof devices require delicate and timed coordination by definition in order to be "child proof". Most gun owners feel self defense is important, and therefore quick access to their firearm. Thousands of break-ins happen annually, so this isn't entirely unjustified. Could you please tell us how you plan to balance safety, enforceability, cost, and usability?"

O-"Well Susie, it's going to be hard but, you know what, flying was impossible once".

Susie-"Obama, you didn't tell me anything whatsoever. Could you please tell us anything remotely of substance about this?"

O-"Well a long time ago the Wright brothers figured it out. That's about all I know."

That's some funny stuff right there.

[flylooper]

"Allow Effective Gun-Tracing: When law enforcement agencies operate in concert at the federal, state, and local levels, the chances of solving a crime increases. Since 2003, the Tiahrt Amendment has restricted the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to share gun trace information with members of state and local law enforcement. The ATF has a wide-ranging database of gun information, yet Washington has threatened police officers with time in prison for attempting to access it. As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama also favors commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them. He supports closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong onforeign battlefields and not on our streets." - from barackobama.com

Sounds good to me.

[BigArn]

Originally Posted by flylooper

"Allow Effective Gun-Tracing: When law enforcement agencies operate in concert at the federal, state, and local levels, the chances of solving a crime increases. Since 2003, the Tiahrt Amendment has restricted the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to share gun trace information with members of state and local law enforcement. The ATF has a wide-ranging database of gun information, yet Washington has threatened police officers with time in prison for attempting to access it. As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama also favors commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them. He supports closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong onforeign battlefields and not on our streets." - from barackobama.com

Sounds good to me.

Not to me. Get rid of the Assault Weapon Ban, then I would have no problem with it. I'm not asking for full auto weapons, I don't believe those should be in the general publics hands, but a nice AR is just as deadly as a 270 deer hunting rifle.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by flylooper

He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong onforeign battlefields and not on our streets."

I don't think it is the right of the government to tell us what kind of firearms we are allowed to have. Sorry, I enjoy freedom. What's left of it, anyways.

[flylooper]

But isn't an assault weapon by definition a weapon that operates as both a rifle and machine gun?

I think one major problem is that one can get parts to make a previously semi-auto rifle, fully automatic. My understanding is that you can buy a "sporterized" AK-47 or M-16 (or similar type) and then go to your local gun show, for instance, and buy the parts needed to remake it into a true assault weapon.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by flylooper

But isn't an assault weapon by definition a weapon that operates as both a rifle and machine gun?

That's not the government's definition. According to the AWB, the Mossberg 500 12-gauge I had at the time was illegal because of a couple additions I had (none of which altered its firing ability).

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by snakesht

That's not the government's definition. According to the AWB, the Mossberg 500 12-gauge I had at the time was illegal because of a couple additions I had (none of which altered its firing ability).

Folding stock?