What's going to happen to the Republican party?

[baldheadeddork]

I brought this up because what's happened just in the last 48 hours has been amazing.

The House Republicans have apparently decided they lost 58 seats in two years because they weren't conservative enough. (Relative) Moderate Roy Blount is out as Minority Whip, replaced by Eric Cantor - who is one of the most hardcore social conservatives in politics. John Boehner is begging to keep his job.

Some conservative bloggers are trying to clone the netroots that the left has developed over the last eight years. (See here and here.) But a lot of these people said they would do the same thing after the 2006 debacle and it went nowhere.

The circular firing squad is running WFO.

Michelle Malkin:

At least all the Hollywood and Manhattan Palin-haters were willing to sign their names and put their faces on their attacks.

Let’s assume the rumor-mongers are telling the truth for a moment. Who does it damn more: Sarah Palin or McCain and his vetters who green-lighted her for the vice presidential nomination? Don’t need an Ivy League degree to figure that one out.

Sarah Palin worked her heart out. She energized tens of thousands to come out who would have otherwise stayed home. She touched countless families. I didn’t agree with everything she said on the campaign trail. But two fundamental conservative stands she took mattered greatly to me: She vigorously defended the Second Amendment and the sanctity of life more eloquently in practice than any of the educated conservative aristocracy.

And she did it all with a tirelessness and infectious optimism that defied the shameless, bottomless attempts by elites in both parties to bring her and her family down.

Shame on the smearers who don’t have the balls to show their faces.

Red State:

RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.

We're tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.

We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you'll see us go to war against those candidates.

Next Right:

Dear Republicans,

You earned the beating you took yesterday. You earned every bit of it. It is your fault. Democrats may or may not have deserved to win, but you deserved to lose.

The rebuilding and renewal of the Right will start soon. This will be very important. The Right and the Republican Party are at an inflection point, and there are many directions things can go. The destiny of the Right and the Republican Party will be determined in large part by the decisions you make in the days, weeks and months ahead.

* Some of you will say "we have learned our lesson", and then try to pass off cosmetic changes as Reform. You are the problem.

* Some of you will say "Republicans need to fight/hold Democrats accountable", as if it is sufficient to be against Democrats. The pendulum may eventually swing back to you, but you won't know what to do with it.

* Some of you will say "Republicans need to carry our message to the American people", as if the problem is that Republicans haven't been saying "tax cuts and limited government" loudly enough. The problem is not the inability to communicate; the problem is that you have no idea how to actually deliver on those ideas.

* Others will say "Republicans need to be more principled", as if the problem is a mere lack of personal courage and principle by Republicans. Even the best people can't limit government if there is not an effective strategy for implementation - for getting "from here to there". You don't need better people. You need a better strategy.

The problem is not Republican politicians, although many Republicans politicians are a problem. The problem is not with the basic ideals of limited government and personal freedom, either. The problem is a movement that plays small-ball and cedes responsibility for infrastructure to business interests, leadership that rewards those who make friends rather than waves, an entrenched Party and Movement support system that mostly supports itself, an echo chamber that has rotted our intellect, a grassroots that is ill-equipped to shape the Republican Party, and a Republican Party that has replaced strategy with tactics, substance with marketing.

These problems can be fixed, but the fix is not cosmetic. The rot is deep. We do not need reformation of the Republican Party; we need transformation of the Republican Party. That is going to require fresh blood, new ideas, new infrastructure...and perhaps more than a little time in the wilderness.

A commenter at the American Conservative:

The whole idea that she will be prepared in 2012 is based on the notion that it takes very little preparation to be President, other than holding some kind of office for a few years and looking good in front of the cameras, that one can simply rely on advisors who know about these things, as long as one has the right “gut” instincts. This is how W. got chosen, and he didn’t have much interest in the details of foreign policy either. These people simply don’t change, and as long as the Republican party is run by these people, they will continue to back people like W and Palin. And I don’t see how some other group of conservatives with different values is going to take control of the party, because there is no pressure at all from the base for them to do so. The base wants Palin.

Let me remind you of who ran in the primaries: Fred Thompson, who has no visible qualifications whatsoever other than a gravelly voice and television crime drama expertise. Mike Huckabee, who is charming and skilled politically, but has no serious knowledge of most issues, especially foreign policy. Rudy Guilliani, a total whackjob with no comprehension of what governing a country actually means. McCain, who as you know has spent a lifetime flaunting his POW status to mask a serious lack of interest in any policy details about anything, including foreign policy, but who has limitless confidence in his own power to accomplish anything he sets his mind to, even though he’s never actually accomplished anything he set his mind to. Ron Paul, who though beloved by his fans and relatively knowledgable, was completely rejected by the party as a whole. And Romney, of course, who is actually relatively intelligent and reasonably well inforned, but who alienated almost everyone outside his own circle of supporters. So how is it exactly that Palin is overshadowed by these giants? It’s not as if Republicans have set a high bar of knowledge, expertise, judgment, and accomplishment. Their “high bar” is all about theatrical performance and nerve, both of which Palin has in abundance.

There’s a reason for this. Any candidate with real intelligence, judgment, and expertise would not support the policies of the Republican party platform, plain and simple. As long as those basic policies remain unchanged, the candidates who will succeed must be able to practice deep denial while acting with full confidence in their righteousness. This means the qualifications to be the GOP nominee are mostly ones of psychological imbalance and theatrical skill. To change that situation, the entire policy agenda of the Republican party would have to change, and that simply isn’t going to happen.

[gtramontelli]

Wow, that last bit by the commenter at the American Conservative is particularly stinging. It's hard to find any fault there, though.

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by snakesht

Sort of what Jerome said, but I'd go with 12 years instead of 16.

On a side note, won't Joe be 74 at the end of Obama's 2nd term? Obviously that's too old to be prez.

Yeah, I thought about that when he picked Biden. There is a chance Obama will pick a different Veep in 2012 to have an heir apparent. Before Eisenhower it was very common for a president to choose a new veep when he ran for reelection.

[dave b]

The House Republicans have apparently decided they lost 58 seats in two years because they weren't conservative enough.

You're surprised at this?

These people don't have a fucking thing to say to America other than "Gays are bad, abortion is bad, taxes are bad, feminism is bad, affirmative action is bad, hippies are bad, and violence is good."

"58 seats in two years"? Shit. they got off easy.

It's interesting that most Americans classify themselves as 'conservative', but when questioned on specific issues, most of their positions are 'liberal'.

I hope the fringe right wins the battle for the soul of the republikan party.

It will be easier for us to send them off once and for all.



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[leemajaz]

they'll study up on obama's campaign stragedy and attempt to put a conservative spin on it. they're loosing dead weight, looking for fresh faces , and gearing up for 2012. by becoming more liberal in their approach.

[Josh D]

The R's will probably just disappear or merge with the D's into 1 superparty. From one of the paragraphs above it says the R's didn't speak loudly enough about "tax cuts and limited government". Well they are just fucked anyways because there are plenty of ways to actually tax people more while lowering income tax, and from what I gather from the hammer and cicle crowd on the P&R board (the majority), they want all the fucking government intervention they are dealt.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by Truck

You guys really do love to circle jerk each other just like Ty said...

I resent that.

[Gaolee]

What leemajaz says. The Republicans are in the cannibalism phase right now, but they will figure it out. They are not as stupid as some of their supporters, and we don't know who their standard bearer will be in 2012. I am sure it won't be Palin, and it will likely be somebody we haven't thought of. The hard right as represented by Michelle Malkin has had its day.

[Parabellum]

Let me remind you of who ran in the primaries: Fred Thompson, who has no visible qualifications whatsoever other than a gravelly voice and television crime drama expertise. Mike Huckabee, who is charming and skilled politically, but has no serious knowledge of most issues, especially foreign policy. Rudy Guilliani, a total whackjob with no comprehension of what governing a country actually means. McCain, who as you know has spent a lifetime flaunting his POW status to mask a serious lack of interest in any policy details about anything, including foreign policy, but who has limitless confidence in his own power to accomplish anything he sets his mind to, even though he’s never actually accomplished anything he set his mind to. Ron Paul, who though beloved by his fans and relatively knowledgable, was completely rejected by the party as a whole. And Romney, of course, who is actually relatively intelligent and reasonably well inforned, but who alienated almost everyone outside his own circle of supporters. So how is it exactly that Palin is overshadowed by these giants? It’s not as if Republicans have set a high bar of knowledge, expertise, judgment, and accomplishment. Their “high bar” is all about theatrical performance and nerve, both of which Palin has in abundance.

There’s a reason for this. Any candidate with real intelligence, judgment, and expertise would not support the policies of the Republican party platform, plain and simple. As long as those basic policies remain unchanged, the candidates who will succeed must be able to practice deep denial while acting with full confidence in their righteousness. This means the qualifications to be the GOP nominee are mostly ones of psychological imbalance and theatrical skill. To change that situation, the entire policy agenda of the Republican party would have to change, and that simply isn’t going to happen.

That is one of the best commentaries on the failures of the GOP I have EVER read.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

Yeah, I thought about that when he picked Biden. There is a chance Obama will pick a different Veep in 2012 to have an heir apparent. Before Eisenhower it was very common for a president to choose a new veep when he ran for reelection.

There's a little factoid I wasn't aware of.

[baldheadeddork]

I mentioned this yesterday, but I don't think it will be an election loss that will make the GOP realize they have hit bottom. It's easy to rationalize an election loss or blame it on some factor that is out of your control.

What kills parties in decline is when the opposition does something that they think is stepping way over the line, but people approve of it. That's when they realize how much the earth has shifted under their feet.

The 1980 election didn't kill the Democrats. A lot of them totally believed the only problem was that Carter was too much of a moderate. (Sounding familiar?) When the air traffic controllers went on strike and Reagan fired them, a lot of liberals thought that would be the moment when the public realized what a mistake they'd made by voting for the Republicans. When people supported Reagan, that's when Dems knew they were fucked. After that it was a lot harder for Dems to lie to themselves about where they were, and you saw the beginnings of the rebuilding. It would take another 24 years for Dems to win on their own message instead of running as Lite Republicans.

I think something like that has to happen for the Republicans to hit bottom. It might be passing universal health care. It might be something in the news like the PATCO strike that we can't see yet. I just know that it won't be losing an election, not this one or the next, or the one after that.

[jerome_oneil]

Originally Posted by snakesht

There's a little factoid I wasn't aware of.

Harry Truman was FDR's third VP.

In fact, it wasn't until 1804 that the VP was even elected. The guy that came in 2nd got the job.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by jerome_oneil

Harry Truman was FDR's third VP.

In fact, it wasn't until 1804 that the VP was even elected. The guy that came in 2nd got the job.

The more you know....

Guess I need to break out the books again and brush up on my gov't history.

[jethead]

Hopefully they will dry up and blow away along with all the Democrats.

[snakesht]

And that's when the whores come.