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Old 11-15-2008, 02:35 PM   #211 (permalink)
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:46 PM   #212 (permalink)
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bassjones is confused about what it is to be conservative.

McCain is actually it. Palin isn't. Neither is Bush. Neither is bassjones.
I would agree on Palin and Bush, however McLame is no conservative. McCain - Kennedy, McCain - Feingold, for starters...
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Old 11-15-2008, 07:03 PM   #213 (permalink)
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Go ahead and make whatever case you'd like to make. Naming a couple of bill nicknames ain't gonna cut it. It's simple, soundbite thinking that got you where you were. Actual learning can get you out.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:48 PM   #214 (permalink)
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back on topic, the Republicans are in trouble if they let the RINOs take over. When Republicans run as conservatives they win. When they then govern as liberals they lose. When someone who has been voting as a liberal/moderate suddenly tries to run as a conservative, they're in big trouble.

The formula for success is in the primary you shore up your base then try to get the middle during the election. McCain appealed to the middle in the primaries and was still trying to shore up the base a day before the election. 20% of "Conservatives" voted for Obama. Another 20% stayed home. add that group to McCain and subtract that 20% from Obama and the election turns out differently.
good god youre a fucking idiot.

you guys lost because of...

palin.
And a candidate that was 72 years old.

If you think the "base" is going to win anything????

good luck, and continue losing.
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:12 AM   #215 (permalink)
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I'm not a Republican. The Republicans lost because their candidate had to go get Palin as a last ditch effort to energize the base. It worked until they realized she was an idiot. The Republicans lost because a guy they consider a RINO (Republican In Name Only) won the nomination. The Republicans lost because the current Republican President is a fool.
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"The Base" is why the GOP is going to continue to lose elections.

Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

Woohoo!

I've always said republicans were dumb.
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Old 11-16-2008, 01:47 PM   #217 (permalink)
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why do the republicans always have to become more leftist to win elections? ohh...yeah reality sinks in.
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My theory is the republikans lost because their message is shit, and because Americans have finally recognized it as such.

All the PR and Spin and clarifications and packaging and repackaging and repetition will not change the fact that the message is shit.

Lipstick on a pig, anyone?

If they want to survive as a viable national party, they need a different message, not the same 'ole shit.

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My theory is the republikans lost because their message is shit, and because Americans have finally recognized it as such.

All the PR and Spin and clarifications and packaging and repackaging and repetition will not change the fact that the message is shit.

Lipstick on a pig, anyone?

If they want to survive as a viable national party, they need a different message, not the same 'ole shit.

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agreed. but they will continue to run on gays, god, and abortion.
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except McCain didn't... In fact, I don't think he mentioned it more than once or twice when asked directly. And he gave the same answer on gays that Obama did.
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except McCain didn't... In fact, I don't think he mentioned it more than once or twice when asked directly. And he gave the same answer on gays that Obama did.
Have you been following the Repub post-mortem. That's why they think he lost.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:35 PM   #222 (permalink)
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he lost partially because he was a party mate of Bush and partially because Obama is very charismatic. He also lost because he didn't really have a message and when he stumbled on one (drilling for oil), he let it get away from him.
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Ok simple solution: GOP leave peoples womb alone, Dems leave peoples guns alone
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Ok simple solution: GOP leave peoples womb alone, Dems leave peoples guns alone
Get this man a diplomat post. Now for your next trick go untie that Mid-East thingy.
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