Rampant voter fraud - Page 7

snakesht · 10-13-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

Neocon toolbag list: F&D, Blurr, snakesht.

Just keeping track so I know who to PM to rub it in when Obama wins.

I'll be disappointed by the results of this election whichever way it goes, so you can just go ahead and send it now before you forget, and I'll fill in the blanks on the 5th.

Gaolee · 10-13-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SXSMITH

Oh, no. Are we all going to get thrown off before the election is over?

Darn.

It would be a disaster. When Obama wins, I will become an apologist for a screwed up administration and the right wingers can call me on it. If we can't have that, I am going to go through withdrawl.

636blurr · 10-13-2008, 01:45 PM

anyone else ever notice that Obama never says' "if i am elected" its always "when I am president or as I am president' the fucking wierdo is already talking about his second term.

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 02:21 PM

That is a traditional speech technique used for decades in this country.

I suppose if you only recently started paying attention to politics, you might think of it as something new and different.

F&D · 10-13-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

Frustrated&Desperate is really grabbing at straws lately.

Please, you really only succeed in making yourself look ignorant. Surely you could just go have a neocon circle jerk with like minded people on a real politics board, instead of preaching in here to your extremely small (and diminishing) choir of sheeple.

What the fuck are you talking about? I've provided hard evidence of Obama's direct complicity with a corrupt organization that has been proven to be behind wide-spread voter fraud, as well as having been instrumental in the subprime mortgage implosion. An organzation that will help shape Obama's agenda.

Your blind, unquestioning fealty to your new messiah shows who the ignorance belongs to. Good god man, you aren't even questioning or refuting the guy's proven alliance to ACORN, which means you are just fine with it.

William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright, Raila Odinga... this Chicago thug doesn't have one single friend who isn't a radical Marxist or corrupt crook.

Did you catch Obama's exchange with a plumber who is concerned about Obama's tax plan?

Plumber: "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more"

Obama: "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

That's a perfectly articulated Marxist position. "Spread the wealth around", with the wealth-spreading to be done literally via gunpoint (if you don't pay your taxes, eventually men with guns will show up at your door).

Now, if you agree with this, at least sack up, stop being a dissembling little douchebag, and admit that you like Marxism. But don't try to call me ignorant just for pointing it out.

636blurr · 10-13-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

That is a traditional speech technique used for decades in this country.

I suppose if you only recently started paying attention to politics, you might think of it as something new and different.

Ya know I will be honest, I have lost any amount of respect I once had for you, although it was small.

However I have been involved in politics as long as I can remember. but since your obviously new to all this, and worshipping your GOD OBAMA. then it is not noticed by his flock of dim witted sheep.

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 02:39 PM

I see....apparently the concept of taxation is now Marxist.

Maybe you should tell that to the great men who once said "No taxation without representation".

I guess since they supported taxes, they were Marxists too.

Lets see....First, it was "obama is a muslim"...then when that didn't work it was "obama is a terrorist", now that tactic isn't working either...so now its "obama is marxist".

What is next? How about "obama is a cannibal" or "obama is an alien spore creature"?

Both of those would make as much sense as the insane notion that Obama is a marxist.

You and your team of neocon apologistas simply can't even participate in an election without demonizing your opponent. Its the only way that you keep your loose grip on power in this country.

Please, by all means, keep up this insane line of blind rhetoric....it is forcing more and more people over to the Obama camp with every lie you people tell.

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 636blurr

Ya know I will be honest, I have lost any amount of respect I once had for you, although it was small.

However I have been involved in politics as long as I can remember. but since your obviously new to all this, and worshipping your GOD OBAMA. then it is not noticed by his flock of dim witted sheep.

Coming from you, a lack of respect is the highest possible compliment you could give me.

If I thought I had your respect, I would eat my gun.

I guess since you have been involved in politics for as long as you can remember, that is really more of a statement about your long term memory than your awareness.

F&D · 10-13-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

I see....apparently the concept of taxation is now Marxist.

Maybe you should tell that to the great men who once said "No taxation without representation".

I guess since they supported taxes, they were Marxists too.

Lets see....First, it was "obama is a muslim"...then when that didn't work it was "obama is a terrorist", not that tactic isn't working either...so now its "obama is marxist".

What is next? How about "obama is a cannibal" or "obama is an alien spore creature"?

Both of those would make as much sense as the insane notion that Obama is a marxist.

You and your team of neocon apologistas simply can't even participate in an election without demonizing your opponent. Its the only way that you keep your loose grip on power in this country.

Please, by all means, keep up this insane line of blind rhetoric....it is forcing more and more people over to the Obama camp with every lie you people tell.

More dissembling. What a suprise.

Para, it's the fucking INCOME REDISTRIBUTION that is Obama's Marxism. The tax code is the mechanism by which he will impose it.

Try to keep up. Maybe take a remedial reading class.

Now: man up. Are you in favor of income redistribution, or not?

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by F&D

More dissembling. What a suprise.

Para, it's the fucking INCOME REDISTRIBUTION that is Obama's Marxism. The tax code is the mechanism by which he will impose it.

Try to keep up. Maybe take a remedial reading class.

Now: man up. Are you in favor of income redistribution, or not?

Define "income redistribution" as you are using it. I am familiar with it as a political movement that seeks to balance society by limiting the income of the wealthy, and distributing that income to the poorer people in society.

There is simply no "yes" or "no" answer to your question, but you did a very good job of laying that trap.

Those that have studied modern history, know that all countries in the world engage in income redistribution to some degree.

Income tax is a perfect example of a way that income redistribution is already incorporated into our own society.

So if I say I am against it, then you say that I am a hypocrite.

If I say that I am for it, then you label me as a marxist.

The truth is in the details. Some forms of income redistribution are fair and work toward advancing society as a whole. Others are destructive and should not be allowed.

So far, I support Obama's tax plan. Everything that I have read about it falls within the guidelines of what I consider to be a reasonable amount of income redistribution.

By all means, jump on that and run around the room screaming "Parabellum is a hypocrite" or "Parabellum is a marxist"....no matter what I say, you will do one or the other.

snakesht · 10-13-2008, 02:59 PM

Para:
1. Do you agree that it is acceptable to raise the tax rate of wealthy individuals and use those taxes to fund welfare programs (which in many cases just hand money to people) that the wealthy will not benefit from?

2. Do you agree with providing tax cuts to Americans who are effectively not even paying taxes, all while increasing taxes on the wealthy by as much as 25%, considering as how those wealthy Americans are the ones who are providing jobs to the middle class, and some may be put into a position to cut expenses (i.e. jobs)?

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by snakesht

Para:
1. Do you agree that it is acceptable to raise the tax rate of wealthy individuals and use those taxes to fund welfare programs (which in many cases just hand money to people) that the wealthy will not benefit from?

2. Do you agree with providing tax cuts to Americans who are effectively not even paying taxes, all while increasing taxes on the wealthy by as much as 25%, considering as how those wealthy Americans are the ones who are providing jobs to the middle class, and some may be put into a position to cut expenses (i.e. jobs)?

#1 - Yes. We do this for just about everything. Its not a new idea. I will be looking into buying a home next year...and the property taxes go to fund schools (amongst other things). I will never have kids, so that money is taken from me and given to others. I have no problem with this, its part of living in a society where we share burdens for our mutual benefit. I know this is an evil concept to many of you, who have your heads and beliefs rooted firmly in the dark ages.

#2 - This I cannot answer, as your assumption "providing tax cuts to Americans who are effectively not even paying taxes" doesn't make sense. If they are not paying taxes, then they can't get a tax cut. Try asking a question that makes sense and I'll answer it.

F&D · 10-13-2008, 03:12 PM

Snake, the little wuss is just dissembling again. He knows damn well what we mean in the context of Obama's tax plan and is trying to wiggle out of being called on his support of Marxism.

Obama's tax plan is pure income redistribution. He claims 95% of us would get a tax cut. Well, 34% of us already pay no federal income tax. Thus, there can be no more federal income "tax cuts" for these people - in these cases Obama is talking about refundable tax credits where the government would simply be cutting a check to people who already don't pay income tax.

It's just another welfare program. It's pure and direct income redistribution. It's Marxism.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Now, Parabellum, are you supportive of Obama's clearly defined income-redistrbution scheme, or not?

Parabellum · 10-13-2008, 03:15 PM

I stated earlier that I am in favor of his tax plan, but I do not consider it marxism, any more than I consider ANY income taxation as marxism (except for a flat tax).

F&D · 10-13-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

I stated earlier that I am in favor of his tax plan, but I do not consider it marxism, any more than I consider ANY income taxation as marxism (except for a flat tax).

You aren't even man enough to defend your views, are you?

I already spelled out how Obama's tax plan is pure, direct income redistribution. He will cut checks to people who already don't pay income tax. The funds for those welfare checks will come directly from other peoples' income tax payments. Pure and direct income redistribution.

This is the essense of Marxism.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

-Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948