McCain Changes Campaign Strategy

[RiverCityRebel]

Originally Posted by dave b

I suppose that we'll not get to gauge the intelligence of the American electorate.

If this shit-slinging works, God help us all.

db

Holy crap - I just wrote nearly the same thing in the "Palin accuses" thread

Sorry - wasn't plagiarizing .

[F&D]

Of course, the only problem is that this isn't shit-slinging. This is simply the unfiltered truth of Barack Obama's character. If the media had done a better job vetting him in the first place, it wouldn't be such a suprise now.

Instead, we get Barabara Walter fawning over how handsome he looks and brainwashed 8-year-olds signing about how he's going to save the world.

Edit:

Here's an ironic tangent to the whole Ayers/Obama connection. These guys worked together on projects which were supposed to be for education. Real noble-sounding causes to help the public schools and such. Well guess what? Obama's two kids both attend an exclusive private school with tuition upwards of $20,000 each at the grade-school level. Real man of the people, eh?

[bush]

Guilt by association.

Guess what? I once took a dump in a sandbox.

Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand, but whatever.

[RiverCityRebel]

Originally Posted by F&D

Here's an ironic tangent to the whole Ayers/Obama connection. These guys worked together on projects which were supposed to be for education. Real noble-sounding causes to help the public schools and such. Well guess what? Obama's two kids both attend an exclusive private school with tuition upwards of $20,000 each at the grade-school level. Real man of the people, eh?

How much work did McCain do for public schools, and where did his kids go?

[F&D]

Originally Posted by bush

Guilt by association.

Guess what? I once took a dump in a sandbox.

Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand, but whatever.

It actually has quite a bit to do with the topic at hand, because it goes to character. I do not want as our President somebody with Obama's character; I don't trust him as far as I can throw my ZX-14. I don't trust him to run the economy, and I don't trust him on foreign policy. Trust goes to character.

Regarding McCain, he hasn't pretended to be something he's not and I much prefer his hand-off stance on education to Obama's activist intervention. I don't at all appreciate the liberal reeducation camps that our public school systems have become and IMO the Federal Government should stay far away from public schools. Public schools are states' business.

[gtramontelli]

TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Palin's Attack On Obama's Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About The Palins' Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist

Palin's Attack On Obama's Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About The Palins' Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist
By Greg Sargent - October 4, 2008, 4:55PM
Sarah Palin attacked Obama's patriotism today over his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers -- a move that makes it perfectly legitimate to raise questions about the Palins' associations with a group founded by an Alaska secessionist who once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed our "damn flag."

In Colorado today, Palin seized on the big front-page New York Times story about Ayers and Obama, which concludes that the two men "do not appear to have been close," to launch her most vicious attack yet on the Illinois Senator -- a harbinger of what's to come.

"This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

If Palin is going to say this, it is now perfectly legitimate to point out that she repeatedly courted a secessionist group founded by someone who openly professed hatred of the American government, cursed our flag, and wanted to secede from the Union. Sarah's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of this group, which continues to venerate that founder to this day, for years.
As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska.

And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there's no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group's annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News' Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here's what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

He also said this: "And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Vogler has also said: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn't a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years.

The main takeaway from today's Times story is that Obama's ties to Ayers are, if anything, less substantial than commonly alleged. So if the Ayers association means Obama "palled around" with "terrorists," as Palin put it today, surely Palin can be said to have "palled around" with a secessionist party whose founder openly professed hatred of America.

If Palin is going to directly question Obama's patriotism over his association Ayers, surely all these facts are now fair game and freshly relevant.

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by F&D

It actually has quite a bit to do with the topic at hand, because it goes to character. I do not want as our President somebody with Obama's character; I don't trust him as far as I can throw my ZX-14. I don't trust him to run the economy, and I don't trust him on foreign policy. Trust goes to character.

Regarding McCain, he hasn't pretended to be something he's not and I much prefer his hand-off stance on education to Obama's activist intervention. I don't at all appreciate the liberal reeducation camps that our public school systems have become and IMO the Federal Government should stay far away from public schools. Public schools are states' business.

Mother of God! You're freakin' delusional.

[F&D]

Originally Posted by flylooper

Mother of God! You're freakin' delusional.

Hmmm... nope, I don't see a rebuttal of any of my points there.

[shadows090]

Originally Posted by F&D

I don't at all appreciate the liberal reeducation camps that our public school systems have become and IMO the Federal Government should stay far away from public schools. Public schools are states' business.

Huge freaking +1. It's a RETARDED idea to have the federal government in charge of educating the public. I could see maybe the states setting basic requirements maybe, but I think there should be much more emphasis on private schools. The problem is, if you're sending a kid to private school, you're paying for both private + public (through taxes). Private school isn't that expensive, it's just difficult to afford both. Imagine getting a reimbursement on your taxes paid into public schools if you elected to use private. Even that is flaws, since they shouldn't take the taxes for schooling you don't want to use to begin with, but it would be much better than the current system.

[SlowGoose]

Originally Posted by F&D

Regarding McCain, he hasn't pretended to be something he's not

That's some primo manure there, got any to spare? I need to prep my veggie garden for next year.

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by RiverCityRebel

How much work did McCain do for public schools, and where did his kids go?

McCain's kids went to Brophy and Xavier Prep, Cathlolic boys and girls schools in north part of downtown Phoenix. I used to live around the corner from the campus.

What has John and Cindy McCain done for public schools? Nothing that I'm aware of. But they have set up a charitable foundation for Brophy and Xavier and funded it to the tune of almost a million dollars.

Obama's daughters go to an elementary school run by the University of Chicago, where he works, and is five minutes from his house. If it's like other university schools I know of, he and Michelle probably get a healthy discount on that tuition. I know people in Fort Lauderdale who work at Nova Southeastern University just so their kids can go to their excellent prep school at an affordable price.

[shadows090]

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

What has John and Cindy McCain done for public schools? Nothing that I'm aware of.

Hopefully we can put more emphasis on private school, instead of a fed gov run education system. The question should be, what has McCain done for private schools?

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

\ But they have set up a charitable foundation for Brophy and Xavier and funded it to the tune of almost a million dollars.

Well that's excellent.

EDIT; Sarcasm aside, It really shouldn't be looked down on that he donates to the schools that his children go to with his own private money. I'd do the same, I'm sure.

[bush]

Originally Posted by F&D

Regarding McCain, he hasn't pretended to be something he's not

Are you fucking crazy?

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK

[F&D]

Originally Posted by bush

Are you fucking crazy?
MAVERICK

yeah there is that. I"m gonna go nuts if I hear them say "maverick" one more time.

[Baldrick]

Originally Posted by shadows090

Hopefully we can put more emphasis on private school, instead of a fed gov run education system. The question should be, what has McCain done for private schools?


Well that's excellent.

EDIT; Sarcasm aside, It really shouldn't be looked down on that he donates to the schools that his children go to with his own private money. I'd do the same, I'm sure.

In other words, let's keep education elitist and available only to those with the money to pay for it.