Obama threatens tv stations for posting NRA ads

[ped]

slander is free speech and the communist (not palin) wants to restrict it. you all are wing nuts and only calling shah out is absurd.

ill go live under a bridge before they take my AK!

its funny how everyone turns into a 'full-auto sportsmen' and hates mexicans all of the sudden, not to mention abortion suddenly is near and dear to ones heart too. but having decent jobs, civil liberty, sound infrastructure, alternative energy and lower taxes doesnt matter at all. oh yeah i forgot you think mccains higher taxes on 99% and his infinite war is going to benefit you tax wise.

[jim schmidt]

I see we're in the last desperate throws of a failed conservative strategy.

[Parabellum]

Originally Posted by jim schmidt

I see we're in the last desperate throws of a failed conservative strategy.

I'm a card carrying NRA and SAF member, I write dozens of letters and emails a year to my reps on the subject.

And you bet your ass I'm voting for Obama.

I don't want to lose my 2nd Amendment freedoms, but even I can see that right now, we have more pressing matters at hand.

What I really want in gun rights is the ability to carry concealed, a right that all but TWO states in this country allow in some form (my own bullshit People's Republik of Daleystan, and one other state).

Obama is not attacking CCW, he is trying to get the illegal guns out of the ghetto. That is a worthwhile cause, and flame me for saying it, but I trust Obama to do it in a smart way that does minimal damage to the law abiding gun owner who wants to protect his loved ones.

[bush]

Originally Posted by keystonejenks

You guys kill me. Obama does NOT want to take your guns away. GIVE IT UP. He has tried placing restrictions on the type of guns that can be purchased and frankly, I agree with that. Not every type of gun needs to be available to the public.

His vice-presidential candidate authored the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, and although he's not a vocal supporter of HR.1022, I can see him pushing for another ban in Congress if they take office.

Also, I didn't take time to read the article but the NRA has been produce false ads. If he wants to stop lies from going out, good for him. Just so you know, here is the info on the false attack ads by the NRA:

NRA Gun Ban claim FALSE

False NRA claim

I'm not a fan of the NRA, nor am I a member.

However, he did vote against a bill in Illinois that would allow handgun owners to use weapons in self-defense in their homes without having to worry about violating local weapons ordinances. This isn't "common sense regulation," it's Obama sending a message that he doesn't think people should be allowed to use the proper tool to defend themselves in the confines of their own home.

He is on the record stating that it would undermine local governments' ability to control gun crime. Whereas the case in question leading to the legislation had nothing to do with gun crime, and everything to do with self-defense.

The info is there, and as i said before, it's well-documented.

As far as "not trying to take your guns," also recall that Biden implied that a man who appeared on screen with his AR-15 at one of the Democratic debates was not mentally qualified to own that gun, because he called it his baby. I refer to a lot of things the same way, usually because I have a lot of time and/or money tied up in them. My bike was my baby, my grill is my baby, and so are my guitars.

The fact that Biden feels he is more qualified to decide who should be able to own what is a red flag to me.

A congressman or senator doesn't stop craving power when they climb the ladder. They ultimately take it as a mandate to do what they want. Obama and Biden are no exception.

[bush]

Originally Posted by Parabellum

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Obama is not attacking CCW, he is trying to get the illegal guns out of the ghetto. That is a worthwhile cause, and flame me for saying it, but I trust Obama to do it in a smart way that does minimal damage to the law abiding gun owner who wants to protect his loved ones.

Obama was for the DC gun ban until the end of the Heller case.

That had nothing to do with illegal guns, and everything to do with being able to legally own a handgun for protection in your home.

Sure, he's stated his case against illegal firearms, but actions do speak louder than words.

Trusting a politician to look out for your well-being has obviously worked out very well so far. Just saying.

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by Parabellum

I'm a card carrying NRA and SAF member, I write dozens of letters and emails a year to my reps on the subject.

And you bet your ass I'm voting for Obama.

I don't want to lose my 2nd Amendment freedoms, but even I can see that right now, we have more pressing matters at hand.

What I really want in gun rights is the ability to carry concealed, a right that all but TWO states in this country allow in some form (my own bullshit People's Republik of Daleystan, and one other state).

Obama is not attacking CCW, he is trying to get the illegal guns out of the ghetto. That is a worthwhile cause, and flame me for saying it, but I trust Obama to do it in a smart way that does minimal damage to the law abiding gun owner who wants to protect his loved ones.

Benedicat te, pater, fillii, et spiritu sanctu.

Bless you, my son.

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by bush

Obama was for the DC gun ban until the end of the Heller case.

That had nothing to do with illegal guns, and everything to do with being able to legally own a handgun for protection in your home.

Sure, he's stated his case against illegal firearms, but actions do speak louder than words.

Trusting a politician to look out for your well-being has obviously worked out very well so far. Just saying.

So...lemme get this straight:

You're against Obama because he won't let you shoot your fucking pistol at someone who comes into your house or that pulling the same pistol out of your glove box and shooting some guy that pissed you off by flipping you the bird because you were driving too slow in the fast lane?

Is that is? This is your issue? You're single issue? Hmmm. I'd say you're a tool alright.

[bush]

Originally Posted by flylooper

So...lemme get this straight:

You're against Obama because he won't let you shoot your fucking pistol at someone who comes into your house or that pulling the same pistol out of your glove box and shooting some guy that pissed you off by flipping you the bird because you were driving too slow in the fast lane?

Is that is? This is your issue? You're single issue? Hmmm. I'd say you're a tool alright.

I'd like to know where you pulled the single issue voter card out of my post. Or the idea that I'm a pistol-wielding psychotic who shoots people for merging incorrectly.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Fact remains that I'll be using either a shotgun or pistol to defend myself and my 110lb girlfriend when a stranger enters my home, and no local, state, or federal representative has any place telling me how I go about protecting myself.

I guess a "no bullshit" position on an issue makes me a single-issue voter.

No, I'm against Obama, because amongst other things, he's willing to legislate my ability to defend myself within the confines of my own home, against a possibly violent trespasser who has no business being there.

Take a Midol before replying to my posts with fallacies and knee-jerk reactions.

[Teej]

Originally Posted by Parabellum

Obama is not attacking CCW

Bull.

Gun control: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

Supports extending the assault weapons ban. Supports national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel. Supports limiting gun sales to one per month.

Yeah, there's bigger issues at stake. Voting based on one issue is stupid.

But don't fool yourself into believing that obama "isn't that bad" on guns. That too is stupid.

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by bush

I'd like to know where you pulled the single issue voter card out of my post. Or the idea that I'm a pistol-wielding psychotic who shoots people for merging incorrectly.



Fact remains that I'll be using either a shotgun or pistol to defend myself and my 110lb girlfriend when a stranger enters my home, and no local, state, or federal representative has any place telling me how I go about protecting myself.

I guess a "no bullshit" position on an issue makes me a single-issue voter.

No, I'm against Obama, because amongst other things, he's willing to legislate my ability to defend myself within the confines of my own home, against a possibly violent trespasser who has no business being there.

Take a Midol before replying to my posts with fallacies and knee-jerk reactions.

Well, first of all I asked you to confirm my analysis of your reasons for voting for McCain.

So....what were the other reasons? Tell us.

We now know that Obama's going to take away your .357 magnum so you can shoot some Turks who want to rape the daylights out of your girlfriend. (Probably tomorrow, by the way!)

Drink that NRA Kool-Aid much?

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by bush

Fact remains that I'll be using either a shotgun or pistol to defend myself and my girlfriend when a stranger enters my home, and no local, state, or federal representative has any place telling me how I go about protecting myself.

Ohio just adopted the castle doctrine, and I couldn't be happier

Fly, I think the right to defend my home and family is important enough that if someone who opposed it was running for any office that represented me, I'd vote against them. But you can continue to be a sheep, apparently it's worked this long.

[flylooper]

Au contraire, mon aimee idiot.

I'm all for handguns. I'm actually thinking about buying one to defend my house and - well, my motorcycle - from unwanted predators. (I'd probably send the guy a Thank You note if he offed my ex)

And I'm all for the castle doctrine. I know that screws up your brain even more, but I'm a practical guy, and that's where we part ways, see?

We have a right to protect ourselves.

I'm just entirely sure that I would base my vote on that single issue when the fucking country's falling apart for reasons totally unrelated to gun control.

LaPierre's people live and die by it [npi]. Do you?

[Parabellum]

Originally Posted by Teej

Bull.




Yeah, there's bigger issues at stake. Voting based on one issue is stupid.

But don't fool yourself into believing that obama "isn't that bad" on guns. That too is stupid.

Ok, help me understand then.

Here is the source being quoted: Gun control: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

Barack Obama

Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency

I see NOTHING that addresses CCW.

I do see:

1) Sensible regulations based on better information exchange.

2) A vote for state and local rights not to be overturned by federal authority. Since the GOP has completely abandoned the principal of State's Rights as of late, I am actually glad to see Obama standing up for State's rights on this issue. I wouldn't want to see gun laws federalized at all.

3) A vote for the assault weapons ban. This I disagree with, but it does not interfere with the primary freedom that I am concerned with: The ability to defend the home and person with a concealed weapon. I want the ability to carry my Sig. Period.

My only objection to the assault weapons ban is that its yet another restriction that has been proven through rigorous study NOT to do ANYTHING to limit gun crime. But Obama will have to suppport that to get the dem's backing (unfortunately).

[bush]

Originally Posted by flylooper

Well, first of all I asked you to confirm my analysis of your reasons for voting for McCain.

I'm not voting for McCain. Swing and a miss.

We now know that Obama's going to take away your .357 magnum so you can shoot some Turks who want to rape the daylights out of your girlfriend. (Probably tomorrow, by the way!)

Drink that NRA Kool-Aid much?

I don't own a .357. Not an NRA member. Nor do I pay them any mind. And why the racial overtones?

[Parabellum]

Who said anything about banning magnum revolvers????

Did some of you take LSD this morning???