I guess the GOP has one this battle.

[Mani-1]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Yea becouse Obama is a middle class chump isnt he?

No he's a rich guy but not as much as he could've been. What's your point?

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

......Now, learn to debate like a grown-up and back up all your worthless macho posturing and infantile shit-flinging with some fucking FACTS, or go stick your head up a moose's ass, you pinheaded redneck fukwit.

Ratso, I love it when you get mad. You make me grin from ear to ear.

I can almost hear his head go "Poof!"

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by Mani-1

No he's a rich guy but not as much as he could've been. What's your point?

What's yours?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by Mani-1

636,
Here is McCain's military record. I posted this for two reasons.
1. You didn't answer TCS's question on McCain's achievements
2. And most importantly so YOU will know and perhaps be more knowledgeable in your future discussions.

Thank you.

But I doubt very much it will help this dimwit in any future "discussions"... it appears he's incapable of having an intelligent discussion.

Good post.

Originally Posted by flylooper

Ratso, I love it when you get mad. You make me grin from ear to ear.

I can almost hear his head go "Poof!"

Aw, gawrsh.

It's not so much 'mad'... it's more like trying to pound a fence staple into an oak post with a claw hammer. After enough bent staples, you eventually get frustrated and pull out the sledge hammer.

[county]

Originally Posted by BusaDave

Huh?

Just laugh...

[83729]

Originally Posted by Mani-1

636,
Here is McCain's military record. I posted this for two reasons.
1. You didn't answer TCS's question on McCain's achievements
2. And most importantly so YOU will know and perhaps be more knowledgeable in your future discussions.

FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
Both McCain III’s father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. His father
Admiral John S. ”Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe - later commander of
American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. His grandfather
John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.
McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.
McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I’ve got
a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to
the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr’s. plane. He escaped from the burning
aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain
III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle
butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.
1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a “PW Songbird”
On McCain III’s fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, ”O.K., I’ll give you military information if you
will take me to the hospital.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former
POW John McCain.
It was then that the communist learned that McCain III’s father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs.
By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam’s military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais’ interview with
McCain III was aired in Europe.
Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain’s Leg in early December, 1967.
Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a
U.S. POW camp,
In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times.” May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.
On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined Reds Say PW
Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, “ . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of
United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having
bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since
being taken prisoner . . .” The Washington Post explained McCain III’s broadcast: “The English-
Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It
was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat
prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.”
In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time.
The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese)
took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in
Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and
ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions ”to the utmost of his ability” when he, according government
documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in
school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.
McCain III was released from North Vietnam March 15, 1973
In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to
make public any records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. McCain III claims, that
while a POW, he tried to kill himself.
McCain III was awarded “medals for valor” equal to nearly a medal-and-a-half for each
hour he spent in combat
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded
McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a
dozen service medals.
“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former
chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam
since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
“Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continued, “that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how
many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and
biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed
to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy to become America’s
POW-hero presidential candidate.

WOW, this is an eye opener. The North Vietnamese called him Song Bird McCain. Then I start to Google and found that POW/MIA groups despise him and how he has obstructed their efforts in obtaining old military records dealing with with the POW/MIAs. The term Manchurian Candidate pops up quite often with references where he made 32 propaganda films for the enemy. The group of POWs that were offered early release were then known as the Slippery, Slimy and Sleazes. McCain was offered early release along with this group of most likely collaborators. Why would McCain refuse this offer? Special treatment, tolerable living conditions? Even then McCain understood this early release offer was a kiss of death to any political career. War Hero my ass, IMO McCain cooperated fully with the enemy

[Mani-1]

Originally Posted by Little Johnson

WOW, this is an eye opener. The North Vietnamese called him Song Bird McCain. Then I start to Google and found that POW/MIA groups despise him and how he has obstructed their efforts in obtaining old military records dealing with with the POW/MIAs. The term Manchurian Candidate pops up quite often with references where he made 32 propaganda films for the enemy. The group of POWs that were offered early release were then known as the Slippery, Slimy and Sleazes. McCain was offered early release along with this group of most likely collaborators. Why would McCain refuse this offer? Special treatment, tolerable living conditions? Even then McCain understood this early release offer was a kiss of death to any political career. War Hero my ass, IMO McCain cooperated fully with the enemy

Ya think?

YouTube - John McCain (SongBird McCain) Traitor!

[Mani-1]

YouTube - Vietnam Veterans Against McCain

[Mani-1]

YouTube - John McCain Losing His Cool

[Mani-1]

Lying pile of shit
YouTube - McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by Little Johnson

WOW, this is an eye opener. The North Vietnamese called him Song Bird McCain. Then I start to Google and found that POW/MIA groups despise him and how he has obstructed their efforts in obtaining old military records dealing with with the POW/MIAs. The term Manchurian Candidate pops up quite often with references where he made 32 propaganda films for the enemy. The group of POWs that were offered early release were then known as the Slippery, Slimy and Sleazes. McCain was offered early release along with this group of most likely collaborators. Why would McCain refuse this offer? Special treatment, tolerable living conditions? Even then McCain understood this early release offer was a kiss of death to any political career. War Hero my ass, IMO McCain cooperated fully with the enemy

Well, I'm not ready to make an accusation like that without seeing some real proof... which McCain seems to not want to be seen. But it sure as hell doesn't look good for him, does it?

If McCain was the Democratic nominee, the Right-Wing Smear Machine would be all over this like stink on shit, there's no doubt about it. Look at the crap they threw out there about John Kerry based on some highly dubious 'testimony' by a couple guys that claimed to have served with him but weren't even on the same boat. But it was good enough for them, and good enough for all the righties who blurted out the same garbage on forums like this every chance they got.

Let's see if anything comes up that's based on proven fact and indisputable evidence... and do some more digging ourselves, before we jump to any conclusions, aye?

[Mani-1]

Let me go stand in line to vote for this asshole

Part 1
YouTube - John McCain's past that he doesnt want you to know 1/2

Part 2
YouTube - John McCain's past that he doesnt want you to know 2/2

[83729]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Well, I'm not ready to make an accusation like that without seeing some real proof... which McCain seems to not want to be seen. But it sure as hell doesn't look good for him, does it?

If McCain was the Democratic nominee, the Right-Wing Smear Machine would be all over this like stink on shit, there's no doubt about it. Look at the crap they threw out there about John Kerry based on some highly dubious 'testimony' by a couple guys that claimed to have served with him but weren't even on the same boat. But it was good enough for them, and good enough for all the righties who blurted out the same garbage on forums like this every chance they got.

Let's see if anything comes up that's based on proven fact and indisputable evidence... and do some more digging ourselves, before we jump to any conclusions, aye?

We can't be really sure without seeing the records that exist as they are still classified and thus withheld from the public. To be honest I could care less how much McCain sang to the North Vietnamese. What is troubling from what I've seen so far is that John McCain closed down the Senate Select Committee on the POW/MIAs and how he went off on Doloris Alfona, chairman for the National Alliance of Families (POS/MIAs) bringing her to tears when she objected. That had nothing to do with politics. What is unknown is by pursuing the investigation further would records be exposed that would have embarrassed the Senator? As a results, the families of the lost never received final closure.

[83729]

Thanks Mani-1, what is your take on this?

[gfarce]

"Songbird" McCain.