I guess the GOP has one this battle.

[BigBadBoom]

Originally Posted by Mr. Whippy

Three days after Obama gives an amazing speech at the convention, the GOP has completely stolen the spotlight. Sarah Palin has captivated the media.

She is showing surprising appeal, although it is unclear it will sway voters.

So far, I'd say the GOP has accomplished what it wanted--found a media darling to compete with Obama for headlines.

Hell, even BHD is posting positive threads about her.

If McCain wins this Fall, at least there'll be one positive outcome:

We'll all get to see Jim's head explode.

The Obama campaign decided to stay quiet. If they had tried to define Palin they would have came off as the bullies. Best to leave that to the MSM this week during the RNC. Once she has been softened up the Obama campaign will then welcome her to the world of national politics.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by Tripped1

This can be argued either way.

Obama's checkered past, way outweighs Palin's in my mind.

Really? Then I doubt this will change your mind, but what the hell:

Hurricane Gustav and the Republican Convention

Originally Posted by Tripped1

There is no way he sat in Wright's church for 20 years and didn't by into SOME of his bullshit, Wright married him.

That's all you got? Hell, that's old news that's been beat to death. Even the pundits are tired of talking about it.

What they're excited to talk about right now is Palin's executive failures when she was mayor of that little hamlet (Wassilla?), her flip-flops (already!) on the 'Bridge to Nowhere' deal, and the investigation she's under for abuse of power in the firing of law enforcement employees.

Who's Reverend Wright?

Originally Posted by Tripped1

Palin is Governor of a state smaller then a couple school districts I attended, Obama was a community organizer and Councilman before he was a senator. Neither has any particular big-league Executive experience

Neither did Lincoln or Kennedy. But if you read the link above, you'll find Palin's experience pales in comparison to Obama's.

Aren't you forgetting that Palin is a VP candidate? You're trying to hold Palin up next to the wrong guy. Try comparing her to Joe Biden and see what you come up with.

Originally Posted by Tripped1

Palin is more of a rags to riches story

If you think that Obama, who's father left him at the age of two and was raised by his grandmother from age ten, much of the time on food stamps, isn't "rags to riches", then you need to educate yourself.

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Tripped1

I'm not Republican or Democrat. My main beef with Obama is that I don't agree with many of his policies. Particularly since after being military for a decade I know without a doubt from everything I've seen that we need to make a smaller government and get them out of our everyday lives. The government acts for the sake of the government, not for the country or the citizens it is supposed to serve.

And McCan't is another 4 years of an administration that has been doing exactly what you have a 'beef' about.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by Tripped1

This can be argued either way.

Obama's checkered past, way outweighs Palin's in my mind. There is no way he sat in Wright's church for 20 years and didn't by into SOME of his bullshit, Wright married him.

Palin is Governor of a state smaller then a couple school districts I attended, Obama was a community organizer and Councilman before he was a senator. Neither has any particular big-league Executive experience

Palin is more of a rags to riches story, and there are a LOT of people like me who look at "lack of experience in Washington as a GOOD thing" Washington insiders like the Clintons, McCain and a very long and not so distinguished list of others ARE the problem.

I'm not Republican or Democrat. My main beef with Obama is that I don't agree with many of his policies. Particularly since after being military for a decade I know without a doubt from everything I've seen that we need to make a smaller government and get them out of our everyday lives. The government acts for the sake of the government, not for the country or the citizens it is supposed to serve.

Well said, i like how people are jumping all over Palin for lack of experience when their current democratic Nominee really does not have any either. Unbelievable.

Obama is a racist asshole, but it doesnt matter, he is half black so that makes it ok.
I posted up Obama's newsweek story, ohh ohh but Im still the bigot, Smith posted up Obama's wifes paper on her bigotry' but she really wasnt saying that.
Obama Typical white person comment, again, over looked.
Obama in the church of Hatred. This is the man they chose to lead the country somneone who not only listened to that bigot bullshit but listened to the anti american shit that pasture spewed?
LEts not forget Mrs. Obama and "this is the first time I have been proud of my country"
Lets look at Obama's coke Addict past.
Shady Realestate dealings.
Fuck the list is huge.

Mccain, POW
Mccain, old
Mccain the house purchase to allow him to run in that state questionable.


Palin, part redneck
Palin nothing else negative I have seen about her so far.

Gee how much thought does this really take?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Gee how much thought does this really take?

Very little. Your post speaks for itself.

[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

That's all you got? Hell, that's old news that's been beat to death. Even the pundits are tired of talking about it.

So we are all supposed to forget because it is old news? If we spent more time remembering political disasters, I think we would be better off.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

What they're excited to talk about right now is Palin's executive failures when she was mayor of that little hamlet (Wassilla?), her flip-flops (already!) on the 'Bridge to Nowhere' deal, and the investigation she's under for abuse of power in the firing of law enforcement employees.

Who's Reverend Wright?

So I suppose a little digging wouldn't yield flip flops and abuses of power from, oh say, Byden?

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Neither did Lincoln or Kennedy. But if you read the link above, you'll find Palin's experience pales in comparison to Obama's.

Ahh yes, Lincoln and Kennedy. Personally, I'm not sure they are in the same league...but sighting their inexperience was sort of my point.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Aren't you forgetting that Palin is a VP candidate? You're trying to hold Palin up next to the wrong guy. Try comparing her to Joe Biden and see what you come up with.

Then again, what are the odds that McCain LIVES through 8 years of a Presidency he is already 72. Remember I'm not partisan in my thinking, slightly conservative maybe, and definitely against the Democratic ticket.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

If you think that Obama, who's father left him at the age of two and was raised by his grandmother from age ten, much of the time on food stamps, isn't "rags to riches", then you need to educate yourself.

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, I never belabored that point. I was giving my impression of Palin. I'm less against the Republican ticket then the Democratic, but I can't say I see either of them giving me any real hope for moving us in a positive direction, and I don't "protest vote".

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

And McCan't is another 4 years of an administration that has been doing exactly what you have a 'beef' about.

BOTH parties do exactly what I have beef about. What exactly is a constitutional conservative supposed to look up to in this election? Libertarians? Barr is a bit far out there for me. I agree the Republicans seriously dropped the ball, but the Democrats platform between the environment, economy, and energy policies is completely abhorrent. Not to mention that both sides are so heavily invested in special interests, as a matter of necessity (elections cost millions remember). That the entire system is broken.

Both Lincoln and Washington warned about exactly what we are going through now, I'm just hoping it's not to late to fix it.

[Trash]

Originally Posted by Tripped1

Not to mention that both sides are so heavily invested in special interests, as a matter of necessity (elections cost millions remember).

But again in this election that describes McCain and not Obama. That is one of the positives about Obama. Have you researched that?

[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by Trash

But again in this election that describes McCain and not Obama. That is one of the positives about Obama. Have you researched that?

Ok, I'll give you that. It doesn't however mean I agree with ANY of the policies he has presented.

SO I'm in the same boat either way. My statement was to the parties themselves, not the candidates in that case.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by Tripped1

So we are all supposed to forget because it is old news? If we spent more time remembering political disasters, I think we would be better off.

So let's remember the last 8 years.

Damn, you really stuck your foot in on that one. I'm letting you off easy because I just don't have the energy to list it all.

<edit> But my point is what the media will focus on, and the Wright thing is over. If the McCan't camp tries to bring it up again, foul play will be called in short order.

Palin is what the media wants to focus on right now... that's the point. <end edit>

Originally Posted by Tripped1

So I suppose a little digging wouldn't yield flip flops and abuses of power from, oh say, Byden?

Do a little digging and let's see. But first you'll need to spell his name right.

Originally Posted by Tripped1

Ahh yes, Lincoln and Kennedy. Personally, I'm not sure they are in the same league...but sighting their inexperience was sort of my point.

Mine too.

Originally Posted by Tripped1

Then again, what are the odds that McCain LIVES through 8 years of a Presidency he is already 72. Remember I'm not partisan in my thinking, slightly conservative maybe, and definitely against the Democratic ticket.

Which is another reason McCan't made such a disasterous choice of VP. Maybe he thinks he's invincible?

Whatever you say about Obama, he was elected by the Democratic party... millions of voters. The VP is the ultimate decision of that one person, and shows his/her judgment on the first executive decision in his potential presidency.

Obama made a wise choice. McCan't's judgment so far is pathetic.

Originally Posted by Tripped1

I'm less against the Republican ticket then the Democratic, but I can't say I see either of them giving me any real hope for moving us in a positive direction, and I don't "protest vote".

BOTH parties do exactly what I have beef about. What exactly is a constitutional conservative supposed to look up to in this election? Libertarians? Barr is a bit far out there for me. I agree the Republicans seriously dropped the ball, but the Democrats platform between the environment, economy, and energy policies is completely abhorrent.

You have the last 8 years to judge the Republicans. If that's not enough to keep you from pulling that lever for another four, then nothing is.

I just hope that more people will do as you said in your first paragraph... "If we spent more time remembering political disasters, I think we would be better off."

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Very little. Your post speaks for itself.

What a dick.
But that was good.

[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

So let's remember the last 8 years.

Damn, you really stuck your foot in on that one. I'm letting you off easy because I just don't have the energy to list it all.

I'm NOT advocating the Republican party here, trust me I have a long, very long, list of grudges myself. I was only pointing out Palins merits. The entire idea was to encourage intelligent debate. In that I got what I asked for. On her down side I am VERY pro-choice so its notlike I'm a fan by here.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Do a little digging and let's see. But first you'll need to spell his name right.

Ok got me there, I've always been horrendous at spelling, no spell checker alert, and I'll probably miss it.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Which is another reason McCan't made such a disasterous choice of VP. Maybe he thinks he's invincible?

Whatever you say about Obama, he was elected by the Democratic party... millions of voters. The VP is the ultimate decision of that one person, and shows his/her judgment on the first executive decision in his potential presidency.

Obama made a wise choice. McCan't's judgment so far is pathetic.

A valid point. Not to mention probably dead balls accurate for intellectual types. However, they seem to be playing to the lowest common denominator. A mistake, yes, to me anyway. But I will never underestimate Washington's (yes the government as an institution) ability to think and act as if we are stupid and that we don't notice what is actually going on. For the most part they are right, the fact that there hasn't been any break on the Republican or Democratic stranglehold on the Capitol is proof.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

You have the last 8 years to judge the Republicans. If that's not enough keep you from pulling that lever for another four, then nothing is.

Also a VERY valid point. But then I can't make myself pull the lever for either of them, they are merely flip sides of the same coin for me. I'll vote for some 3rd party candidate JUST to attempt to get their numbers up.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I just hope that more people will do as you said in your first paragraph... "If we spent more time remembering political disasters, I think we would be better off."

Well I said it.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I just hope that more people will do as you said in your first paragraph... "If we spent more time remembering political disasters, I think we would be better off."

CNN political commentator said it best, right now everyone is all up and arms against the repubs, the dems will get Elected and then people will remember why they hated them too.

Seems maybe its time to get rid of this stupid fucking two party system dont you?

[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Seems maybe its time to get rid of this stupid fucking two party system dont you?

Oh damn, here I go agreeing with Blurr again

[HighsideSV]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

CNN political commentator said it best, right now everyone is all up and arms against the repubs, the dems will get Elected and then people will remember why they hated them too.

Seems maybe its time to get rid of this stupid fucking two party system dont you?

How would voting for McCain move this goal forward?

Your argument actually supports voting for Obama as a means of encouraging the acceptance of new parties. Voting for a GOP candidate would still leave people with the hope that the Democrats are different. Your own arguments make it clear that you aren't actually thinking about this one bit.

[baldheadeddork]

Pardon me, but wherethefuck have I posted postive threads about Palin?

I think she's a disastrous pick by McCain and I'll be surprised if she's still on the ticket at the end of September.

[HighsideSV]

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

Pardon me, but wherethefuck have I posted postive threads about Palin?

I think she's a disastrous pick by McCain and I'll be surprised if she's still on the ticket at the end of September.

You have a post on this board in which the first sentence could be read as a favorable evaluation of Palin. The following sentences of that post make it quite clear that it is no such thing. A person like blurr doesn't have the attention span or cognitive horsepower to read past the first line of a post.

Here is the post in question. As a visual aid I have bolded the portions that blurr managed to absorb.

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

Palin would be the second best pick McCain could make.

I mean the second best pick he could make for Democrats.

She has zero national recognition. If it's her, the campaign is going to have to spend a couple of weeks (or more) introducing her to the country, and they're going to be fighting the Dems who will also be working overtime to define [READ = Defeat] her. He can't afford that in a two month sprint to the general election.

Palin has been governor of Alaska for two years less than Obama has been in the Senate. She has zero foreign policy experience. Choosing Palin would mean McCain is endorsing his strongest and most effective criticisms of Obama.

And I know this is a common trait among Republicans today, but does he have to pick a running mate who is under investigation for ethics problems?

This selective reading of the post would result in the following appearance:

She has the campaign and they're going to be fighting the Dems who will also be working overtime to defeat her. Palin has been governor of Alaska, Choosing Palin would mean [McCain's] strongest and most effective criticisms of Obama.

Scary note: this sort of thought process is getting pretty common in America (blame the schools) and is the reason behind the 30 second sound-bite method of presidential selection.