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So will god tell Obama to invade pakistan?
All the liberals were pissed at bush for "god telling him to do it" does this change anything? or is it ok becouse he is a liberal?Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer - Yahoo! News


JERUSALEM - An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship with God.


In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks God to guide him and guard his family.

"Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the note published in Maariv.

Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student immediately after Obama left.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another message written by the presidential candidate during his time in Israel this week.

The paper's decision to make the note public brought quick criticism from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall, Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's intimate relationship with God.

"The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.

The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall and damages the personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to ourselves," he added.

Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave notes in its crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small note and then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday, following a day spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands where the Bible says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.

"It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.

"There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum said.

Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided against publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy. Nearly all other Israeli media ignored the story.

Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks of the wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site where people overseas can send their prayers and have them printed out and put in the wall.

The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The papers are treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.

While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of the note did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they were not investigating the incident.

The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama wrote Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's official Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the King David Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.

Obama signed the Yad Vashem message. The note from the Western Wall was unsigned.

At the Western Wall, Obama was greeted by a crowd of curious onlookers and photographers. He donned a white skullcap, listened to a rabbi read a prayer, and inserted a folded white paper between the stones. One hardline Israeli protester shouted, "Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale."

The visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories was part of an international tour meant to shore up Obama's foreign affairs credentials ahead of the November election. Obama's prospective rival, John McCain, visited Israel in March.


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Apparently you didn't read the article before posting it here - let me summarize.

A newspaper published the following note and claims that it was left in the wall by Obama.
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"Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the note published in Maariv.
The rest of the article is mostly about the incredible inappropriateness of whoever took the note from the wall and that of the newspaper for publishing it.

Where do you get any comparison to bush's nuttiness?
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Very simple, Obama lattended some wack job church for 20 years, hates the IRAQ war but says we need to invade pakistan. Now we have this note and "gods will"
I realize you people are desperate for change. but all your doing, is losing one moron and installing an even bigger jack ass.
Hoping you may wake up before its to late.

But being humans, that doesnt seem to happen, 6 million people walked to there own death in Germany why should I expect anything different now?
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Asking God to help you do His will is part of Christian practice. It is a normal part of mainstream Christian prayers. It DOESN'T mean you think God will tell you what to do or how to do it. What it means is simply that you are asking for judgment, compassion, and foresight. You aren't asking God to tell you to turn left at the next intersection or invade another country. You are asking for help in making the right choice, but it is still your problem to make the right choice. It is a far cry from dumb'ya's occasional insistence that God tells him specifically what to do directly.
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Again Gaolee not when you take into consideratoin his religous past with a phsyco church.

you think shit was rocky this time. Wait for the next four years.
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Yea, that sort of shit causes a big uproar there. Kind of like not wearing a head cover when you enter the tunnel. It's just not done. By anyone.

You really ought to sober up and read the shit you post.
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I realize you people are desperate for change. but all your doing, is losing one moron and installing an even bigger jack ass.
Hoping you may wake up before its to late.
Unfortunately, it's a choice between two jackasses and I'm not really sure which one is worse.

If Obama would just get off his 'tax everyone with money' theme, I'd look at him again.

He's likely to win so get used to it. Maybe when there is little or no 'change', Dems will stop singing that song in 2012.
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Unfortunately, it's a choice between two jackasses and I'm not really sure which one is worse.

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Yep, it'd be a toss-up between you and blur.
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Oh I don't know. It's pretty obvious to me that the bigot-drunkard is more worthless than the deceitful attention whore.
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Oh I don't know. It's pretty obvious to me that the bigot-drunkard is more worthless than the deceitful attention whore.
Ok jim here goes, you want to call me a bigot, thats fine, but how bout your ever in town you tell me it to my face and see how it goes allright?
Its unfounded, and getting more than a little old. If you dont like what I have to say then put me on ignore in the meantime.
the only bigot on this thread so far is you, which you have shown over and over again what a bigot, self centered asshole you really are.
but really shut the fuck up.

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Unfortunately, it's a choice between two jackasses and I'm not really sure which one is worse.

If Obama would just get off his 'tax everyone with money' theme, I'd look at him again.

He's likely to win so get used to it. Maybe when there is little or no 'change', Dems will stop singing that song in 2012.
Whats to look at.

Antigun.
Socialist.
More taxation.
Racist.
His own wife is ashamed of America
Wants higher gas prices.
Wants to invade Pakistan so more wars.
Already changing his "views on Iraq"

I havnt seen anything good come from him other than being a very articulate speaker.
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I havnt seen anything good come from him other than being a very articulate speaker.
So, you'd put him ahead of Bush?
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If you are speaking of the Obama that would like to be president you must mean he is praying to Mohammed.
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So, you'd put him ahead of Bush?
I would actually put him behind bush. and thats pretty bad lol.
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Whats to look at.

Antigun.
Socialist.
More taxation.
Racist.
His own wife is ashamed of America
Wants higher gas prices.
Wants to invade Pakistan so more wars.
Already changing his "views on Iraq"

I havnt seen anything good come from him other than being a very articulate speaker.
Frankly I don't see anything wrong with that. It's kind of petty. He can't change all that on his own and congress isn't going to make big changes any time soon.

We think the job has way too much power. Obama has some good things about him. And a few things I personally don't care for. I can't really say I think McCain is a better candidate. The people I think are best for the job were too smart to even try. Bill Owens would have made a great president.

So if it comes down to 50/50 for me, I'd say let Obama show what he's made of. If it's not good, it will show. It's not going to hurt to try.

And everyone agrees it will be better than what we've got now.
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