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Old 07-04-2008, 10:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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News flash. Republicans got nothing, and haven't for quite a while. If this is the best you can do to attack Obama, you are pretty lame. Try harder. I am sure there is something worth talking about, but the Rove tactics of 2004 are a bit passe now. Oh, I forgot- conservatives don't like anything new or change. 100 years in Iraq is just fine because it is the status quo, and the status quo is always better than the future. The distant past is better than the status quo, but it is going to take a packed Supreme Court to get there.

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Old 07-04-2008, 01:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If you lefties aren't upset by this article then it proves that you, like your candidates are using the war for political gain. (WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!)

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If you lefties aren't upset by this article then it proves that you, like your candidates are using the war for political gain. (WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!)

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Can one support the troops & not the war in Iraq at the same time?
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If you lefties aren't upset by this article then it proves that you, like your candidates are using the war for political gain. (WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!)

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What if proves if that you don't have the reading comprehension to understand that the article doesnt say what you think it does.
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What if proves if that you don't have the reading comprehension to understand that the article doesnt say what you think it does.

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OK.

Obama is NOT flip-flopping on his stated intention to withdraw troops from Iraq. What he has said is that he is approaching further investigation of the issue with an open mind. If it is impossible to bring the troops out in 16 months, then thats just how it is, but that is still the goal.

You see, normal people, when they approach something that includes unknown qualities, remain flexible to the possiblility that things change. People who do not lie for a living rarely speak in absolutes because its a fools game, no one knows what the future holds. I realize that when a president believes that he is litereally doing what GOD is telling him to do that he can speak in nothing but absolutes, but that results in having a liar in office.

Some people never grow up and they need their mommy to tell them that Santa really is out there, thats why McCain will indeed get some votes.

For future refference, you cannot just read the bold portions of a news article and believe that you have actually read it, especially with an article like this in which the facts it contains belie the headers.
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You said initially that I didn't have the reading comprehension to grasp the article, apparently you are now flip-flopping?

I've already stated in this thread that I realize that this is a politician being a politician.

My point is that while you lefties repeat election year rhetoric it amuses me when your candidates turn face.

Are you now saying that perhaps the surge might be working and that despite WMD allegations that the best course might be to not set firm time tables for withdrawal?

Next up is the UBL talking point.

When McCain slams Obama in a debate when he asks if the kill/capture of UBL ends the war on terror..

What nuance will you and your candidate use then?

I'll be waiting for that current rhetorical question when it's posed for Obama, just for Jim Schmidt.
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You said initially that I didn't have the reading comprehension to grasp the article, apparently you are now flip-flopping?

I've already stated in this thread that I realize that this is a politician being a politician.

My point is that while you lefties repeat election year rhetoric it amuses me when your candidates turn face.

Are you now saying that perhaps the surge might be working and that despite WMD allegations that the best course might be to not set firm time tables for withdrawal?

Next up is the UBL talking point.

When McCain slams Obama in a debate when he asks if the kill/capture of UBL ends the war on terror..

What nuance will you and your candidate use then?

I'll be waiting for that current rhetorical question when it's posed for Obama, just for Jim Schmidt.
My stance on the fact that you don't have the ability or willingness to understand what is being said remains entirely unchanged. ;)
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C'mon; what he said is what Dubya has either never gotten or has been hiding behind all along: that Presidents don't set their policy by "what the generals want," Presidents set the policy and the generals execute it.

And President Obama's policy will be to end the war in Iraq as quickly and responsibly as possible.

That's vastly different from "Return on Success," which is a completely operations-dependent policy.
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C'mon; what he said is what Dubya has either never gotten or has been hiding behind all along: that Presidents don't set their policy by "what the generals want," Presidents set the policy and the generals execute it.
I think a certain amount of input from the commander on the ground is critical when determining how to fight a war. Would you agree?

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That's questionable, according to recent articles (at least one of which is currently being discussed in the flip-flop thread).

Granted, W has turned Iraq into a giant fuckup which history will not look kindly upon. I'm still not certain what the best course of action is. But I don't think it is one of the 2 extremes of "staying for 10-100 years" or "immediate withdrawal."
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