All of you guys who say you'll never vote for Obama

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by SXSMITH

I'm still trying to get my mind around another guy knowing if I'm ugly or not. I still get a lot of women.

Considering the source that called you ugly I am still laughing.

[Baldrick]

Originally Posted by Mr. Whippy

I'd take that bet. Anyone under 50 will outperform him on test where there is chronic sleep deprivation followed by a test of mental agility, memory or problem solving. (Assuming the person under 50 isn't on Chemotherapy or has a concomitant severe chronic illness).

It's just the way it is, biologically speaking.

I still think the guy has an excellent record professionally (except for that Keating-5 thing). In 2000, I'd have voted for him.

Had it been McCain, rather than GWB, in 2000, I'd have likely voted for McCain, too, but seeing what he's done since then, I'll be voting for Obama on Nov 4.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by SXSMITH

I'm still trying to get my mind around another guy knowing if I'm ugly or not. I still get a lot of women.

Does your wife know about them?

[jiffy]

Originally Posted by jim schmidt

Of course, it's much more important that you don't like Obama's wife right?

Really? I didn't know that. How much is he worth?

I don't like his wife?

Good to know, thanks for your input.

How much does Obama have?

He is a millionaire which is rich from my perspective.

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by jiffy

I don't like his wife?

Good to know, thanks for your input.

How much does Obama have?

He is a millionaire which is rich from my perspective.

Obama's net worth is $4 million. He made almost all of it from his two books that have been bestsellers.

He used this money to buy and pay off his home in Chicago, buy a townhouse in DC after he was elected to the Senate, and put aside $250,000 in a college fund for his two daughters. He has no debt.

[Teej]

I cannot think of any circumstance under which I would dream in my wildest nightmares about voting for obama.

Everyone has their own motivations, and I have friends who are die hard obama (and clinton) supporters. That's fine. I don't begrudge people their choices.

The Democratic party fields very few candidates I could think of supporting, primarily due to issues around taxes and the second amendment.

I'm no extremist. I am not and never have been a member of the NRA. I only own one firearm at this point.

Senator Obama's words/plans on both topics have put him in the "no vote at any price" category. You might even say I wouldn't cast my vote for him at gunpoint. ;)

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by Teej

Senator Obama's words/plans on both topics have put him in the "no vote at any price" category. You might even say I wouldn't cast my vote for him at gunpoint. ;)

What words and plans, exactly?

[Teej]

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

What words and plans, exactly?

I can't quote specific on tax plans other than the health care ideas both he and clinton had, while I admire and respect the intention, don't sound plausible to me. And they'd be a step backwards from my current coverage.

I know JM has made some statements and votes in the past that I disagree with...but not nearly as many nor as consistently as BO. And it goes beyond words. BO _says_ he's in favor of individual ownership under "reasonable restrictions." I too am in favor of "reasonable restrictions." The difference is he feels citywide handgun bans and bans on semi-automatic firearms are "reasonable". I disagree. I can't cite backup for this but I'd bet he supports DC calling all most semi-autos "machine guns" as well.

Now, you can see a lot here.

Barack Obama on Gun Control

I accept that I'm not going to convince anyone to not vote for him based on this issue any more than anyone's going to convince me to vote for him....so that's not my point. I am responding based on the subject of the post... "all those who say you'll never vote for obama" implying that there's a reason I should reconsider. I'm merely stating a couple of reasons why I wont.

[Gaolee]

There is a lot more to a candidate than a single issue. Single issue voting has got us into the polarized mess we are in now. It is unfortunate, but here we are.

As far as Obama and guns, he won't succeed in doing much, because anything he wants to do will go through Congress, and there isn't a whole lot of support for a lot of restrictions in Congress. The political climate of the day isn't going to allow for much, and the Supreme Court just weighed in, so we are going to see a bunch of lawsuits challenging all kinds of gun control laws. Obama taught Constitutional Law, and he isn't John Loo, so chances are he will abide by the Court's decisions. He will have plenty of better things to do than fight a losing battle about gun control.

Now, when you get into healthcare, nobody has the right answer, because there isn't one. We have had the discussion about healthcare before, so I won't get into it. I am getting tired of repeating my logic without anybody suggesting a better alternative or another explanation of how the sytem works and doesn't, so I won't go into it again. After 15 years of thinking about it in all kinds of ways, I disagree with Obama's plan, but it is closer to what I think might work fairly well than any of the other's plans. Nothing is going to work really well, since the system is all screwed up and the economics of it don't work at all.

So, there you have it.

[Teej]

Originally Posted by Gaolee

As far as Obama and guns, he won't succeed in doing much, because anything he wants to do will go through Congress, and there isn't a whole lot of support for a lot of restrictions in Congress. The political climate of the day isn't going to allow for much, and the Supreme Court just weighed in

It would be mindbogglingly stupid to assume that the brady campaign and DC and everyone else are going to just fold up and say "OK, we lost, move along." A few cities in IL are doing that (at least for now...what they're really doing is choosing not to get sued for now by taking down their bans. If chicago & SF get their bans upheld, these cities will go right back to banning.

And you're right. Single issue voting isn't wise.

I disagree with Obama on
Taxes
Health care
Gun control
Iraq*
(OK, that's a nonstarter. I disagree with both candidates on that, except insofar as I agree it's a mess we shouldn't have been led into by the current incompetent twit. I just think it's as much of a "gimmick" to claim the troops will be home in 16 months as all of mccain's farces that obama calls gimmicks. I believe that if he manages to bring the troops all home within 16 months, the mideast will distabilize farther and faster and we'll be dragged in deeper than we are now).

I further disagree with the result being that one party would again be in control of senate, legislature and POTUS. Bad things happen then. Gridlock is good, and I don't think any of us expects the republicans to pick up any congressional seating.

Not to mention that as bad as bush's approval rating is...congress' approval rating is also the lowest it's ever been and the dems already own both sides of that.

[jim schmidt]

Single issue voters are the most easy to manipulate. Look at the anti-abortion folks. They're easy to pander to and you never have to pay off.

[baldheadeddork]

The Daily McCain: Just how strong does McCain think he is on the economy? Depends on when you ask.

Any bets on how the press would react if a Dem pulled that shit?

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

John McCain is not your average 73 year old. I bet few of us here could keep pace with him.

He's 73? I thought he is 71.

And you know what? He'd be 77 (by your count) if he completed his term.

Sorry. Age *is* an issue in this election. The last thing we need is another power behind the throne (like Cheney is, but for different reasons) running the show.

Reagan hardly knew his own name during his second term. He had Nancy doing ventriloquism at his press conferences.

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by flylooper

He's 73? I thought he is 71.

And you know what? He'd be 77 (by your count) if he completed his term.

Sorry. Age *is* an issue in this election. The last thing we need is another power behind the throne (like Cheney is, but for different reasons) running the show.

Reagan hardly knew his own name during his second term. He had Nancy doing ventriloquism at his press conferences.

You would not vote for him even if he was 50.

[Gaolee]

Eight years ago he was approximately 63. Just saying...